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Patriot76 - January 9, 2007 08:50 PM (GMT)
Although it is not very possible, if a new Iran war were to erupt, I cannot help but wonder about a draft. Like I said, it is very unlikely but it still got me wondering. I would personally go without question if I were drafted and I thought that was the case for everyone. But when I asked some friends, one went as far as saying he would rather avoid it and leave the country forever! I would WILLINGLY go to war before I gave up any American freedoms. So, I want to know what you guys think. Would you be a draft dodger or a go to fight? Also, how do you feel about draft dodgers?

dimmick - January 10, 2007 02:24 AM (GMT)
If there were a war that I felt was justified and the draft were reinstated, I would first finish school and then enlist in the Army before I was drafted. Upon getting into the Army, I would try to get a job in Intelligence for two reasons: first, I don't think I would be a good grunt, and; second, I hate to sound like I'm boasting because that's not my intention, but I am a relatively smart person and I think that I would be more useful in a position like Intelligence. I would kind of miss the opportunity to be directly involved with the action, though...

Oh, and I deleted the other thread about the draft.

FacistFalangistFool - January 10, 2007 04:19 AM (GMT)
Personally, I would support this country with/without a draft in any war which was justified. If WE were attacked, as in WWII, hell I would have enlisted already. But I would never dodge the draft. I agree with you, however, Dimmick. I believe I would be better served in intelligence, as I am not particularly muscular (very skinny) and not particularly in good shape, but have always gotten straight A's.

Draft of no draft, If this country was ever attacked, I would enlist. If I was drafted for a war I didn't believe in? I'd go. Because I fight for my country. You don't have to believe in the war, but believe in your country.

Patriot76 - January 10, 2007 09:20 PM (GMT)
You don't realy have to worry about boasting your intellegence considering this is an AP site, we should all be smart. Yes, i too would probably be good in an intellegence position, but if there was a draft, you would have no say in where you would be. Like dimmick said, if ever a war were to ensue that would seem to lead to a draft, enlisting would give you more priveledges. Personally, if we were ever invaded I would join the army to fight. I wouldn't feel right having a desk job and then boasting "I was in the war...."

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 10, 2007 11:10 PM (GMT)
If there was a draft during a war that I didn't support I think I'd try to "dodge the draft".

Patriot76 - January 10, 2007 11:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Is fusa tuitim na eirigh @ Jan 10 2007, 11:10 PM)
If there was a draft during a war that I didn't support I think I'd try to "dodge the draft".

You do relize that is treason and you would be tagged a deserter and imprisoned. And if you did know that, you would willingly forfeit your American freedoms just to avoid a war? Like FacistFool said, if you don't support the war, at least support your country.

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 11, 2007 12:22 AM (GMT)
I'd always support my country but if I felt a war wasn't justified I wouldn't support it.

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 11, 2007 12:46 AM (GMT)
It's not treason if a person claims their a conscientious objector to war in general becaus e of moral or religious beliefs. I'm against most wars and the only way i would fight is if another country posed a serious direct threat to the u.s. And by being a concientious objector you could do a non-combat job to support your country.

Patriot76 - January 11, 2007 09:19 PM (GMT)
Being a so called pacifist gives you no right to dodge a draft. That is the liberal mentallity...

Is that what you have?

Patriot76 - January 11, 2007 09:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Is fusa tuitim na eirigh @ Jan 11 2007, 12:46 AM)
It's not treason if a person claims their a conscientious objector to war in general becaus e of moral or religious beliefs.

All religions preach non violence (except Islam) saying it is against your religion is a load of garbage.

In my school, some people don't salute the flag due to religion. Tell me what religion is anti-American...Hmmm.

My friend who said he would dodge the draft said the same thing you did even though it is not against his moral or religious beliefs. It's called lying, and if you would do that to get out of a war you don't support your country.

FacistFalangistFool - January 11, 2007 09:42 PM (GMT)
Religious beliefs? If that were the case nobody would be fighting execept muslims! Nobody wants to kill, Isa, but sometimes it has to be done. Nobody has Killing as "moral" on their "moral beliefs" list. In order to preserve peace, those who would prevent it must be eliminated.

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 11, 2007 09:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Patriot76 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:19 PM)
Being a so called pacifist gives you no right to dodge a draft. That is the liberal mentallity...

Is that what you have?

What is wrong with having a liberal mentallity? I personally believe that this country needs more liberal political leaders

FacistFalangistFool - January 11, 2007 09:52 PM (GMT)
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What is wrong with having a liberal mentallity? I personally believe that this country needs more liberal political leaders.

I personally believe this country needs less liberal leaders and a less liberal media, but that's just me. Liberal views outnumber conservative in this country. You cannot possibly get too much more liberal. We would be reduced to an Amsterdam with a French mentality.

Patriot76 - January 11, 2007 09:58 PM (GMT)
Don't get me started on whats wrong with liberal mentality. If you want to see, look at my liberal VS Conservative post. Liberal policies would only work in a Utopia.

And remember this country was founded with a Musket in hand. Is that okay for you your liberalness or would you rather America never existed?

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 11, 2007 10:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Patriot76 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:58 PM)
Don't get me started on whats wrong with liberal mentality. If you want to see, look at my liberal VS Conservative post. Liberal policies would only work in a Utopia.

And remember this country was founded with a Musket in hand. Is that okay for you your liberalness or would you rather America never existed?

It's because of Republicans with the conservative mentallity that we're in a war with Iraq which we should have never been in in the first place.



This country was founded with musket in hand for just causes because of British abuses of America. I would never want to fight in a war that wasn't being fought for just causes.

Patriot76 - January 11, 2007 11:00 PM (GMT)
The only evidence I need occured 5 years and 4 months ago.

I will give you one thing- we need a republican/conservative government in times of war and reconstruction and Democratic liberals in times of peace and Domestic growing.

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 11, 2007 11:23 PM (GMT)
the liberals would keep us out of war in the 1st place

Patriot76 - January 11, 2007 11:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Is fusa tuitim na eirigh @ Jan 11 2007, 11:23 PM)
the liberals would keep us out of war in the 1st place

Yeah, but they would allow the problem to spread.

We have a right to interveine in forign affairs if it poses a threat to America. Was 9/11 a big enough threat?

Nemo Me Impune Lacessit - January 11, 2007 11:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Patriot76 @ Jan 11 2007, 09:36 PM)
All religions preach non violence (except Islam) saying it is against your religion is a load of garbage.


Not true, murder is one of the highest sins in the Koran, all religions seem to justify murder incase of holy wars or even at one point conversion.

I would enlist prior to a draft as soon as word got out, I'd give my go at being army delta though, it wouldn't feel right not being on the front lines to fight.

And my respect goes out to Isa, your determination stands admiral though most of the time no one is on your side, this forum needs people like you simply because there's no use in posting if everyone agrees.

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 11, 2007 11:42 PM (GMT)
9/11 was a big threat and i supported the war in afghanistan but i do not support the war in iraq

Patriot76 - January 11, 2007 11:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Is fusa tuitim na eirigh @ Jan 11 2007, 11:42 PM)
9/11 was a big threat and i supported the war in afghanistan but i do not support the war in iraq

Fair enough.

FacistFalangistFool - January 11, 2007 11:47 PM (GMT)
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And my respect goes out to Isa, your determination stands admiral though most of the time no one is on your side, this forum needs people like you simply because there's no use in posting if everyone agrees.


Hey, where is my congrats? lol. Nobody has agreed with me in two of the three topics I have made thus far. And yet I continue to defend my position.

Is fusa tuitim na eirigh - January 11, 2007 11:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (FacistFalangistFool @ Jan 11 2007, 11:47 PM)
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And my respect goes out to Isa, your determination stands admiral though most of the time no one is on your side, this forum needs people like you simply because there's no use in posting if everyone agrees.


Hey, where is my congrats? lol. Nobody has agreed with me in two of the three topics I have made thus far. And yet I continue to defend my position.

I also respect you because you stood by your opinions when there were pages of posts against them. I don't like when people abandon their beliefs just to join the rest of the crowd. I think that when you or I or whoever stands out against the rest on a certian issue is what makes this forum interesting. It would be boring if we were all just here agreeing on everything... i think all the different opinions and viewpoints are needed on this forum because they are all an important part of politics

FacistFalangistFool - January 12, 2007 12:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Is fusa tuitim na eirigh @ Jan 11 2007, 11:53 PM)
QUOTE (FacistFalangistFool @ Jan 11 2007, 11:47 PM)
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And my respect goes out to Isa, your determination stands admiral though most of the time no one is on your side, this forum needs people like you simply because there's no use in posting if everyone agrees.


Hey, where is my congrats? lol. Nobody has agreed with me in two of the three topics I have made thus far. And yet I continue to defend my position.

I also respect you because you stood by your opinions when there were pages of posts against them. I don't like when people abandon their beliefs just to join the rest of the crowd. I think that when you or I or whoever stands out against the rest on a certian issue is what makes this forum interesting. It would be boring if we were all just here agreeing on everything... i think all the different opinions and viewpoints are needed on this forum because they are all an important part of politics

Indeed, Isa. After all, if everyone agreed on everything our country would not be here today.

Vox_Populi - January 12, 2007 01:12 AM (GMT)
I too would not be aposed to the draft, but honestly i do not think i am capable of firing a gun or anyother weapon at another human being, radical or not, im a lover not a fighter. I would join the army prior to the draft, most likely join the Army Band, Yes it would be "wussing" my way out of combat, but one i would be supporting my soon to be profession (music) as well as in a way supporting my nation.

Bahra - January 12, 2007 04:04 AM (GMT)
dude, i would be SO proud to serve this country. It's a great place. I never get americans who wouldn't. I always look at them as kinda spoiled.

Patriot76 - January 12, 2007 08:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Bahra @ Jan 12 2007, 04:04 AM)
dude, i would be SO proud to serve this country. It's a great place. I never get americans who wouldn't. I always look at them as kinda spoiled.

I could not have said it better myself.




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