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Sealy - March 13, 2005 04:24 AM (GMT)
Kobe Bryant scored 21 points in the final 6 minutes to lead the Lakers back to beat the Bobcats. He also hit the game winner with .9 seconds left on the clock!

Wow, I hate the Lakers because they are in the race for the final playoff spot but Kobe Bryant is amazingly clutch.

Waqas - March 13, 2005 04:27 AM (GMT)
Lol, yeah, Kobe gets the ball all of the time. Poor Dirk :(. Anyway, did he end up with 50 or something?

Sealy - March 13, 2005 04:28 AM (GMT)
He scored 32 points total.

Waqas - March 13, 2005 04:45 AM (GMT)
Oh, well that would've been a fun game. But seriously, how does a 20-point lead go away in SIX minutes? That happened with Spurs vs. Rockets, when T-Mac scored 13 in the final 35 seconds.

madsen35 - March 13, 2005 04:46 AM (GMT)
He's playing amazing basketball of late. I don't like how Iverson is getting recognition as an MVP canidate when his team is below .500 and out of the playoffs in the east but Kobe is keeping his team alive and gets way less props.

Waqas - March 13, 2005 05:00 AM (GMT)
Yeah, because of turnovers, and because he shoots over 30% of Laker shots.

Sealy - March 13, 2005 05:26 AM (GMT)
Take that turnover bullshit off. Kobe handles the ball mostly and so does Iverson. Kobe has to be the playmaker on the team (as does Iverson).

Waqas - March 13, 2005 05:37 AM (GMT)
I never said anything about Iverson. I'm just saying Kobe turns the ball over a lot, and it's in common plays, too. Don't think I'm stupid, man. I've seen it happen a lot.

Sealy - March 13, 2005 05:47 AM (GMT)
KG travels alot. Iverson turns it over. Kobe turns it over. Nobody is perfect it's just Kobe plays a lot of minutes and has the ball alot. Nobody is perfect.

For Kobe, the good greatly outweighs the bad.

Waqas - March 13, 2005 06:14 AM (GMT)
I know, we all :wub: respect Kobe, lol, but it was just ONE time where Kobe get the in-bounds pass, and Dirk just threw it out of his hands. I don't know what happened to Kobe then. Dirk stole, ran so quckly across the court (I thought Kobe was faster than Dirk, but oh well), and Kobe fouled Dirk and Dirk got the breakaway dunk.

Sealy - March 13, 2005 06:57 AM (GMT)
You base his whole season on one play?

big - March 13, 2005 07:03 AM (GMT)
Wow, what a performance by Kobe Bryant...


But then again, it is the bobcats...




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Shadyrock - March 13, 2005 08:19 AM (GMT)
Ladies we have stats on turn overs. why don't one of you school boys look up the numbers on turnovers? Kobe vs A.I.
I see it as Kobe and A'I's points and extras equal a hell of alot more than turning the ball over a dozen times a game. Big deal.

Sealy - March 13, 2005 04:04 PM (GMT)
In the last 6 games Kobe is putting these stats:

35.4 ppg | 6.2 rpg | 4.4 apg | 0.8 spg | 1 bpg | 2.8 tpg | 50.8 FG% | 28.6 3PT% | 91 FT%

That's pretty DAMN good.

Shadyrock - March 13, 2005 04:51 PM (GMT)
Exactly. I'll take a few turnovers from a guy that can make up for it.

Waqas - March 14, 2005 01:40 AM (GMT)
I'm not basing his season on one play. He actually had 5 turnovers that game, lol, but it was a completely dumb move. He needs to be more cautious, that's all. He averages lots of turnovers, as well. Kobe Bryant has been ON FIRE the past few games, but 28.6% from beyond the ark isn't pretty **** good, lol. 3 turnovers is a big improvement, and 1 block and .8 steal is kind-of good. Right now he just needs to get the Lakers in that 8th Seed and restore his image of a good man.

ntw - March 14, 2005 01:48 AM (GMT)
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"We must all hang together or we will surely all hang separately," Bryant said.

A day after Odom said he and his teammates didn't need to be "best buddies" off the court to be successful, the Lakers looked quite content as a group, perhaps the end result of their meeting Wednesday that ran long and forced them to scramble to their charter flight in time to get here by nightfall.

At the meeting, coaches asked players — again — to avoid deferring to Bryant and stop force-feeding him the ball if he wasn't open. Even Bryant pleaded the point to teammates, telling them to read the defense and look for the open man, no matter who it was.



http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball...&cset=true

Kobe, what a ballhog. Pleading with teammates to stop deferring to you when you cant do anything with the ball. Yeah his TO's are up because he gets the ball when the rest of the team cant do anything with it and is expected to bail them out.

p.s. getting the lakers the 8th seed wont do anything to restore his image of being a good man, people beleive a 19 year old near clinically insane colorado chick after some money more than they do kobe, why would that change with a playoff berth?

Waqas - March 14, 2005 01:50 AM (GMT)
Yeah, he's logged lots of minutes, but it's just the Assits per Turnovers categoy that people should base things on.

ntw - March 14, 2005 01:53 AM (GMT)
Yeah, lets base how good kobe is on his assist to turnover ratio, becuase thats one of the weaker points of his stats this season, makes sense to me.

Waqas - March 14, 2005 02:03 AM (GMT)
A little over 1.5 Assists per Turnover, which is pretty good.

big - April 2, 2005 03:46 PM (GMT)
Well, one of the reasons Kobe has more turnovers, is because he is now the focal point of the Lakers offense. They no longer have Shaquille O'Neal to rely on to draw the defenders off of Kobe Bryant. And when you handle the ball as much as Kobe does, you're bound to turn it over sometimes. Same thing goes for KG. He touches the ball so much, he's bound to have more turnovers than usual.




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detroit223 - April 4, 2005 08:59 AM (GMT)
The problem I have with Kobe is that he touches the ball more than he HAS too and more than he SHOULD. He's begging for a turnover when he constantly brings the ball up the court and feels like he needs to be the play maker instead of letting the game come to him. He's doing more than he has too and more than he should and because of that he's taking away from his teammates. Let Chucky bring the ball up the court and make plays(he can, I saw him in Detroit you know) let Caron Butler create his own shots and let ppl take the pressure off of you. Kobe is a stat guy and it's really annoying. I feel sorry for Kobe so I don't hate him as much as I used too. Hmm, just thought I'd throw that in there.lol

madsen35 - April 4, 2005 09:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (detroit223 @ Apr 4 2005, 02:59 AM)
The problem I have with Kobe is that he touches the ball more than he HAS too and more than he SHOULD. He's begging for a turnover when he constantly brings the ball up the court and feels like he needs to be the play maker instead of letting the game come to him. He's doing more than he has too and more than he should and because of that he's taking away from his teammates. Let Chucky bring the ball up the court and make plays(he can, I saw him in Detroit you know) let Caron Butler create his own shots and let ppl take the pressure off of you. Kobe is a stat guy and it's really annoying. I feel sorry for Kobe so I don't hate him as much as I used too. Hmm, just thought I'd throw that in there.lol

I disagree with you somewhat. You are right in saying that Kobe should let others bring the ball up the court, but he doesn't trust guys like Atkins to make the plays, and who can really blame him.

Yet here is what Kobe said just a week or 2 ago:

"We must all hang together or we will surely all hang separately," Bryant said.

A day after Odom said he and his teammates didn't need to be "best buddies" off the court to be successful, the Lakers looked quite content as a group, perhaps the end result of their meeting Wednesday that ran long and forced them to scramble to their charter flight in time to get here by nightfall.

At the meeting, coaches asked players — again — to avoid deferring to Bryant and stop force-feeding him the ball if he wasn't open. Even Bryant pleaded the point to teammates, telling them to read the defense and look for the open man, no matter who it was.

Obviously, Kobe wants his teammates to succeed along with himself. If you want a stat-padder look at Tracy McGrady..

detroit223 - April 10, 2005 01:15 AM (GMT)
What does Tracy McGrady have to do with this? I've watched McGrady and he's not a stat padder. Kobe doesn't trust guys..that's what you said now think about that for a second...Don't you think that maybe the problem? He doesn't trust nobody so that's why the Lakers are where they are now. Lets not talk about what he's doing NOW because what happened in the past is why the Lakers are out.

Waqas - April 10, 2005 03:55 AM (GMT)
It's not Kobe's fault!!! He doesn't have a good supporting cast. It's the Laker's owner's fault, for trading Shaq for only a couple of role players, not anybody like Dwayne Wade!

big - April 10, 2005 04:41 AM (GMT)
Waqas, man, didn't you watch TV last year around the time Shaq was traded? The Lakers organization was lucky to find a team that would even take Shaq and his huge salary. The Lakers took what they could for Shaq. Shaq had to get out of LA. He just couldn't get along with Kobe. The trade last summer was to get rid of shaq, not to get better...


As for Kobe, he needs to learn to trust others. If you can't trust those teammates, who can you trust? If you cannot trust your teammates, you cannot win. It's as simple as that.

detroit223 - April 10, 2005 07:18 AM (GMT)
He does have a good supporting cast. He doesn't trust Chucky Atkins to bring the ball up the court even tho pointgaurds should have the ball handling to do it? That was just an example of Kobe's lack of trust by replying to what madsen35 said. How can it not be Kobe's fault when all he's done is dominate the ball. When you have the ball as much as Kobe does you better get some dam assists and score more points and he has the ball enough to shoot a higher precentage from the field and maybe just maybe if he was willing to let everyone play their role the Lakers would have more possessions instead of Kobe turning the ball over as much as he does. It's always tough when your role players don't know their role and it's even tougher when your superstar should take the blame for it. And playing defense can help the Lakers don't you think? Now that's where the whole team can take the blame for that.

madsen35 - April 10, 2005 09:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (detroit223 @ Apr 10 2005, 01:18 AM)
He does have a good supporting cast. He doesn't trust Chucky Atkins to bring the ball up the court even tho pointgaurds should have the ball handling to do it? That was just an example of Kobe's lack of trust by replying to what madsen35 said. How can it not be Kobe's fault when all he's done is dominate the ball. When you have the ball as much as Kobe does you better get some dam assists and score more points and he has the ball enough to shoot a higher precentage from the field and maybe just maybe if he was willing to let everyone play their role the Lakers would have more possessions instead of Kobe turning the ball over as much as he does. It's always tough when your role players don't know their role and it's even tougher when your superstar should take the blame for it. And playing defense can help the Lakers don't you think? Now that's where the whole team can take the blame for that.

Detroit223, I just gave Chucky as an example of a teammate that Kobe doesn't trust.

Kobe trusts guys like Caron Butler and Jumaine Jones. In other words, he trusts the guys that aren't prone to stupid mistakes.

And why should Kobe trust a guy (Atkins) who claims that he is the GM?

Trust me, if Kobe is averaging 6 assists per game, then he must have some amount of trust for his teammates.




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