I will most definately be rooting for the Heat. One, I have to support my boy Dwayne Wade. And two, you'll never hear of me rooting for the Lakers.

It should be a fun game, especially now that Shaq has made his Corvette/brickwall comment. I really hope Kobe goes into the lane. It is funny, I don't know what I want to happen. In one way, I just wish Kobe would slam it in Shaq's face and just bring the words right out of his mouth, and possibly shut him up. But, in another way, I hope Shaq stuffs him out of town.

I guess from the individual battle I don't care, but overall go Heat!

mvp

I'm rooting for the Heat more than the Lakers but I still hate the Heat.

I just want Shaq to stuff Kobe when/if Kobe comes running at him for the dunk.

I will definitely be rooting for the Lakers. I want Kobe to throw one down over Shaq, just to shut the Big Fella up.

Have you noticed that Kobe hasn't done any trash talking to Shaq? But Shaq's verbal attacks are non-stop.

Now don't get me wrong--I love the Diesel. But I'm getting sick of his jabs at Kobe.

I'll be recording this game, which is probably the most anticipated game in NBA history. So go Lakers! :D

Sorry guys, but I HATE SHAQS attitude. I remember a game when Wally asked for help to get up from Shaq, but Shaq just smacked Wallys hand.

Well Wally does come off as a bit of a snob, but if what you say is true then that lowers my respect for Shaq a bit. I mean, you can't even help a guy up?

This was earlier in his career. I think, his 2nd year, when he wasn't such a snob.

And the cause of Wallys fall=Shaq.

Maybe he didn't help him up because he is white?

Nah, I don't think Shaq is very racist. The only instance I've ever really heard of is when Shaq dissed Shawn Bradley in his book.

Shaq once called Phil Jackson his "other father." I've seen him help up Madsen, Slava, and other white people.

After all, Madsen is one of Shaq's best friends.

Oh yeah, you're right. Madsen is UBER-WHITE.

I'll be rooting for the Heat. How can you not support D-Wade, I hope he has a big game.

I have alot more pent up hatred vs the Lakers. Being a Piston fan,I can't help that.
I would like to see the Heat win with Kobe and Shaq running into each other ending both of their careers. The Soap Opera is almost Lady like.

Speak for yourself.

The Pistons are building their own little soap opera out in Detriot. Just look at all the thuggish players they have (Sheed, Big Ben) and the thuggish things they do(starting melees). The old Pistons established themselves as the "Bad Boys" with all the dirty things they did, on and off the court.

Heck, your own coach L.B. was on PTI a few days back and was saying he is ashamed by the things that people in the NBA do, and then he goes out and chases a ref down and cusses at him. Hmmm....

I agree that the Pistons are soft today and Brown is a big sissy and should just retire. Bring back Laim and Mahorn to coach and toughen this team up. So the fans don't have to fight their battles for them. And Yo Madsen I always speak for myself you little puke,and i don't use another guys Pic and screen name.

Say what? I created my avatar myself you fool.

And I had one of the members here make the sig for me.

I don't use other people's screen names. I have been posting under the name madsen35 for years.

I'm a little puke? Okay, whatever you say. :unsure:

dont be attacking him shadyrock...
i want him to post here more.
dont drive him away.
hes a good poster.
i wish hed post more
get it?


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First of all, none of the Pistons started the melee, so which leads me to this question how the hell are they thuggish? What have they done that makes them thuggish? And what does what LB said about the NBA have to do with the Pistons. It's the NBA not the whole damn team.And how do you know he cussed at the referree? He felt disrespected by the ref and he let him know. So seriously what makes the Pistons thugs? And don't go making up bullshit to try to back yourself up. It's kind of like how you even started to talk about the Pistons, you couldn't back the Lakers up, so you went ahead and called the Pistons a soap opera, it don't change the fact that the Lakers are still a soap opera, so you haven't done anything to make the Lakers look better, or make the Pistons look bad.

Actually, the whole melee would not have started if Ben Wallace wouldn't have reacted violently to a simple foul.

And I dare you to name 1 thug on the Laker squad. Sure, go ahead and consider Kobe a thug, fine whatever. I disagree though. Other than that, there are almost no thugs on the Lakers.

And just because you feel disrespected by somebody, it gives you the right to cuss them out on live TV? For example- If your boss or if a teacher at school disrespected you, would you swear at them to their face? I don't think so.

this whole mess wouldnt have started if ron artest hadnt run into the stands...
the whole mess wouldnt have started if ron artest hadnt fouled ben wallace so hard..
so many people to blame, so few jail cells...
but kobe isnt a thug...
hes just cocky IMO..
but madsen35 will beg to differ.


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So this whole thing is Artest's fault?

How about the fan not throwing things at him and yelling things like "you fucking nigger" and other unacceptable words. If someone calls you the n-word and throws things are you how would you control your behavior?

Madsen do you own stock in Kobe Bryant jerseys or something. I don't think I've ever seen someone ride a players jock so hard in my life.

I love the fact that you'll criticize Ben Wallace for shoving Artest but God forbid anyone mention Kobe raped someone.

They're supposed to have a special on one of those dateline shows tonight with audio of Kobe saying he'll do anything not to let it get public (the "accused" rape).

You gonna tape that too?


Go Heat.

he does ride kobe pretty hard...

artest isnt all to blame, but i was just trying to make a point to someone, that the melee isnt all one persons fault.....

artest needs to be the bigger man and NOT retaliate against the drunk idiot fans...


antonio mcdyess was very mature throughout the entire fight.. i didnt hear anything about him doing any fighting...
dicefan, you should be very proud.


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Artest needs to be the bigger man but so do the fans. It's hard to be the bigger man when it feels like 12,000 vs. 1 and they are making fun of your family, your race and your team.

there is no BUT when it comes to maturity...
you just be a man, take the comments, tell the proper authorities, and get the fans kicked out of there....



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That's the thing. Nobody kicks the fans out for heckling. No matter what. Before this innocdent I didn't hear any fans get kicked out. And the game was almost over.

The fans are the NBA's costumers. The costumers are always right...the players are thugs and shouldn't act violently to horrible racial slurs and other comments made about thier familes and other things. I know, it's not that big of a deal to be chewed out by a guy who doesn't even know you. :rolleyes:

are you serious?
i can name 3 incidents right off the top of my head!
fans get kicked out all the time for bad behavior!



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I think he was referring to that game alone, but you never know what went down before the cameras started recording the scene. If Artest would have gone and said something to a security official, that fan would have been gone in a second. Players in the League are powerful, they have money, plain and simple.

mvp

Wow, he gets kicked out for the final 17 seconds of the game.

The Heat won 104-102, Shaq fouled out in the 4th and Wade along with Eddie Jones carried the Heat to a victory in ot. Kobe scored 42 but didn't score after Shaq fouled out. The Heat have won 11 straight games.

You didn't even answer my whole post. You still have not told me why the Pistons are thugs. You still haven't answered how you know that LB cussed the ref. And what the hell are you talking about? You really believe that Ben started the whole dam melee? Ben shoves a player who fouled him hard at the end of the game and the melee his fault?! Ben is not responsible for what a fan does, and he's not responsible for how Ron reacts. It's not Ben's fault.

Are you saying that I called the Lakers thugs? Because I don't even know why you started to talk about that, because in my last post, I didn't call nobody a thug. Not Kobe, and not Caron Butler for whoever the hell he socked in the stomach. So don't make up crap to try to defend yourself, it doesn't work.

Again, how do you know that LB cussed at the ref? Like I said, he felt disrespected by the ref, because the ref ignored him throughout the game. So after the game LB approached him, and then as LB was walking away, he decided to talk, and apparently he said something that pissed LB off. So if you decide to reply to this post, please do it without making up some bull.

How do I know that Larry Brown cussed at the refs? Watch ESPN you dope. When he was cussing at the ref you could hear him and could read his lips.

And yes, if Ben hadn't shoved Artest for no reason, then the melee wouldn't have started. Oh and it isn't just the Detroit players that are thugs, but their fans are thugs as well. It was a Piston fan that threw the cup at Artest. The fans threw all the crap at the Pacer players. But again, if Wallace hadn't attacked Artest, would the whole thing have likely been avoided? Yes.

And as for Caron Butler being a thug, well that is your opinion.

Dan Dickau didn't think it was a thuggish thing to do:

"It was no big deal," Dickau said. "I kind of got into a crease and didn't make the right decision and we kind of got tangled up. I think my arm must have gotten wrapped around his leg a little bit and he must have thought that I was trying to do something a little more than what I did, obviously. It's too bad he got ejected. I mean, it wasn't anything intentional."

"It was just a natural reaction to pull him off my leg," Butler said. "That was it. I've known Dan for a while, he's a cool dude."

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You say that I was making up crap. Well, I just gave you some quotes to back up what I said previously. So don't try to debate things that you know nothing about.

Anyways, back on topic to the X-mas day game.

The Lakers looked great at moments, and I thought they were going to pull away with a win. But they shot too many 3's and made some silly mistakes.

Wade came up big at the end of the game, and Kobe just ran out of gas. I was disappointed, but it was a good game nonetheless...

Again Madsen, I love how you would have us believe that Artest simply touched Wallace and then Wallace unloaded on him which caused the entire riot. I doubt you saw the game, only the ESPN highlights. I'm sure Artest did not deserve what Ben did to him. I mean Artest's record for being an upstanding player in this league is superb. Artest is not the kind of guy who'd do something foolish to get himself into trouble. He's not the kinda guy who'd punch a teamate or anything. He's defenitely not the tpye to throw a TV camera. He doesn't get silly techs for no reason.

I'm sure Kobe has never uttered a curse word on the court. NEVER.

And what's the deal with you wanting to have us believe that the Pistons are a bunch of thugs? What have any of the players been involved with, this year or last, that would constitute thuggish behavior?

ill admit that wallace shouldnt have acted the way he did over artest's flagrant.....
but after the wallace/artest little spat, everyone thought the whole thing was over with. artest layed down on the scorers table, and a fan supposedly called him out..
now the smart thing to do would be to control yourself, and not retaliate at the fan.
but the artest thing to do would be to charge into the stands, starting this whole thing. now some people will ask who said what? did the fan really say it?? now who are we gonna trust? are we gonna trust a drink fan, who we know nothing about? or will we trust the man who throws tv cameras, the man who is KNOWN for his anger management problems.... most of us are bound to go with the fan.....
no one knows what the fan really said, but artest should NOT have responded.



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The fans were uttering racial slurs at them. When they were in the stands and when they were on the court. Secruity did nothing...so Artest did it himself. Stupid decision but I think we all would have acted the same way in the heat of the moment.

how do you know they were uttering racial slurs at him?
do you know why they spoke to artest?
they wanted to get him riled up! they wanted him to cause a scene! why else would they do it?
artest is bigger than them, stronger than them, he could kick their ass.
they just wanted to get him riled up, and it succeeded... artests immature attitude prevailed..
i wouldnt have gone into the stands, ill tell you that...
even if i was african american, i wouldnt take such comments to heart.



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They said it on TV that they were saying racial slurs to the players.

So if you saw your buddy go into the crowd and start pounding on a guy with about 20 hostile guys surrounding him trying to beat him down and screaming at him you wouldn't jump in there and help your buddy out?

I did watch ESPN you fag, and I didn't see no cussin, and there you go again...Stop focusing on one dam part to back your self up. The ref finally decided to talk to LB, and apparently pissed him off, so tell me about ALL of that.
It's really funny how you can seriously think the melee is Ben's fault. He shoved Artest, and that started a melee? That shit happens all the dam time, and no riot has ever started, so tell me how is it Ben's fault that some dumbass fan threw a cup and Ron Artest acted a fool, because that's what started the riot. You know, you act like you know these guys. How are the Detroit players thugs? For example is McDyess a thug for apologizing to a Indy fan during a timeout, that he accidently fell into while hustling for a loose ball? How many players have done that? And how the hell are we thugs? I'm a dam fan, what the hell did I do that seems to make you think I'm a thug? Cuz I didn't do shit, the only thing I'm doing now is trying to talk some sense into your ass, but obviously it ain't working. But again if Artest didn't foul Ben when he did and the way he did, would the hole think have likely been avoided? Yes.
And I don't think of Caron Butler as a thug. First of all, I don't know him, and second of all, I'm not going to judge a person, for one of their actions. I brought him up, because apparently you had no reason to call Detroit players, and now Detroit fans thugs, so I did the same as far as players. BTW, I really don't give a shit, what the hell Dick or whatever the hell his name is thinks, he probably said that to avoid getting hit by Butler again :rolleyes:.

good points detroit... way to tell him..
i dont think the pistons are thugs, at least, the pistons of TODAY... if anything, theyre the opposite of it....
the whole melee thing is 1) the fans fault 2) artests fault
how can anyone blame ben wallace for it?? he just got upset about the foul call and reacted in the wrong way. after everything had cooled down, it was the fan throwing the cup and yelling at artest that STARTED the whole incident./..
artest shouldnt have gone into the stands. he should have done the mature thing and ignored the fan. no matter what he way saying.





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Any player that comes into Detroit could have the possibility of having a "thug" reputation. It goes way back to the original "Bad Boys" of Bill Lambier, Isiah Thomas, and all those guys. It is just a sort of reputation the Pistons have got. Any player could be considered a "thug" just because of what it says on his jersey. It is an inherited reputation for Detroit basketball, and it will probably stick on them forever.

mvp

Okay then, think what you want. I won't argue much more because you will not accept the fact that if Ben hadn't shoved Artest, the whole thing would not have happened. The Pistons and their fans were just mad that they were getting whopped on their home court so they created a melee.

Classless. :(