One poster on the forum crys about the name Christmas. Trukz jumps and changes the name and the date. I think that is a total joke. If the 1 poster didnt like it that much he can leave and never post again. I also think 95% of the forum will agree with me.

Well, you have to admit, pushing the reveal date 4 days ahead is well worth it.

Yes, indeed.

Actually Mackman, no one complained.

I suggested it, and mentioned that in the other thread, but I'll be darned if I can tell you what page I spoke about it.

Yeah, im not to happy with all the politically correctness and everybody getting offended easily, but i understand where they are coming from. Last year my grandparents were out shopping, and the cashier told them have a good christmas, and as soon as she said it she paniced, and said i mean holidays. She said if she got caught saying christmas she would get fired.

But i cant wait to see what we get. :)

I am fine with the name change. It is fair to ALL religions and all people. :)

-WarMan v2

Well I say Christmas. I will always say Christmas.

Just like how i feel kids in school should have to say UNDER GOD in the pledge allegiance.

People have been doing that forever. Then these hippies want to come along and try to fix something that aint broke.



By the way MERRY CHRISTMAS ;)

I agree!

No, God is dead.

That is a first. :lol:

-WarMan v2

Now you're bringing religion into this. That has nothing to do with US.

Well God is dead.

Can thou proveth this accusation?

Yes.

Ignore him. He is probably just some 8 year old wanting attention. He has no respect for anybody, or anything, unless you drive a toyota or are obsessed with trains.

Actually, the concept of God being dead has been heavily debated by respected philosphers such as Neitszche.

Alco, how can you prove god was living in the first place? He is an all knowing- all powerful being ( in many religions) that wasn't probably living by our standards today. He is not prone to sickness, and he can't die, so he doesn't need the white/red blood cells to act as antibodies. And I'm sure your talking about being alive on Earth, when he could potentially be around all of us all the time, meaning he is not dead, but not living, but more of an energy that watches over us. Therefore you are wrong in your statement.

God cannot be proven nor disproven...
...proving that statement is tough enough as it is.

But more on-topic, here's another philosophical question: Do I wish you a Happy Chanukah and you wish me a Merry Christmas, or the other way around?

You do both. I'd go Merry Christmas, and Happy Chanukah, and you would say Happy Chanukah, and Merry Christmas. It's a mouthful if your a cashier.

That skirts the question. I'm asking, if you have a Jew and a Christian, do they wish each other in the greeting of their own holiday since they are making the greeting, or do they use the other's holiday because they are greeting this other person?

I say that people have the right to say say what every religion holiday they choose. Me personally, I celebrate Christmas and say Merry Christmas to people (unless i know they are a different religion).

Just my 2 cents

That's exactly my question - if they are another religion, do you say "happy ____" to them and expect them to respons "and Merry Christmas to you"?

I just don't say anything to people that are different religions and I don't expect them to say anything to me (although most of them will say Merry Christmas as they know I celebrate the holiday).

That is your opinion. There is no right or wrong answer about the existence of god.

I thought that Neitszche put it in that context to prove that there is a God, and he/she/it is not dead. The logic went something along the lines of humans by nature need some sort of supernatural entity to keep us in line ethically, and that if God was dead, we would "promote" a living person to the status of "superhuman" to fill the role of a deceased God. I could be wrong...that's just my understanding from high school philosophy class a long time ago.

I'm definitely not a religious person, but I don't see how people of any non-christian religion take offense to the term "Christmas." Most faiths (and history) acknowledge that Christ was a living person born on the 25th of December. That's what the day is all about...the birth of Christ. Getting offended of the term doesn't make any sense. That's like an American getting pissed off when someone says "Happy Fourth of July." It has historic significance. Saying "Merry Christmas" should not be assumed to mean "OMG you need to go to church with me!!1!one!"

It is hard to prove when someone was born even 400 years ago, how can anyone possibly prove when the Christian messiah was born? It is noted, even by Christian scholars, that the supposed birth of Christ was moved to December to make it easier for the pagan religions of Europe to transition to Christianity, after all the pagans were already celebrating the winter solstice around that time of the year. If I am mistaken, I apologize, too much Red Bull I guess.

I dunno, I think it is wrong to single out one religious holiday over all the others, at least acknowledge their existence. People aren't trying to take away your Christmas, and they aren't trying to change your religion. I don't have too big of a problem saying "Happy Holidays."

I am required to say happy holidays at my current job. It pains me to say so. People get too riled up over political correctness. I am 100% South Korean and just about the whitest minority you will ever meet. I hate it when people ask if I am Asian-American trying to be politically correct. I think that this country is starting to worry about stepping on peoples toes a little to much. A little off topic.....I am strong activist against affirmative action. Most of you would agree with me if you saw what I get offered. Its ridiculous.........I believe in hard work and paying your own way. So Merry Christmas. If any of you want to talk more in depth on this topic please feel free to PM me on the Trukz forums. Sorry if I got a little side tracked. I love discussing this topic with people and try to bring a new perspective to the table.

-Olson

Just thought I would let you know that, Under God was not added until 1950 something I believe, so it hasn't been forever.

But I do agree it needs to stay.

Why? Not every child believes in a god.

Oh, and "under God" was added in 1954, thanks to some Knights of Columbus and President Eisenhower.

it doesn't say that you have to believe in god, it says one nation under god, indivisable.

also students and adults are not required to say the pledge of alligeince at all so why should we have to change it.

also if seculars are not trying to destroy the ideals of christmas why do you hear of poeple losing thier jobs for saying merry christmas but not for saying happy Hanukkah or Kwanzaa.

also why does the majority of america (poll reports average about 80% of americans are christians) have to give up thier freedoms(speech and religion) so that the minority are not offended by them.

i personally think if a person says happy whatever to me its the same as saying merry christmas to me. i don't think anything of it. they are celebrating thier holliday and that is part of it. just as i greet and say merry christmas to people its not to offend but just a well wishing.

WEll first of all, no one says happy Chanukkah, unless you are in a Synagouge. And I have never heard anyone say "happy Kwanzaa". And the freedoms of the minority are just as important as those of the majority. There is no freedom of religion without freedom from religion.

And lastly, Jesus is not the reason for the season, the reason for the season is merchandising. Christian people just buy stuff all month. Jesus must be spinning in his grave if he knew you guys trampled a Wal Mart worker to death to save some money on your Christmas presents.

WEll first of all, no one says happy Chanukkah, unless you are in a Synagouge. And I have never heard anyone say "happy Kwanzaa". And the freedoms of the minority are just as important as those of the majority. There is no freedom of religion without freedom from religion.
so because you have not heard it said noone says it. i agree with your statement that everyones freedoms are equal but what gives minorities the right to impose there perticular view because the might find the majorities freedom offensive.

And lastly, Jesus is not the reason for the season, the reason for the season is merchandising.these is one veiw, to me the christmas season starts with the four sundays before christmas wich is called the advent, then celebration of the birth of christ, and then Epiphany which carries on till january 6th but is diffrent in difrent churchs so yes jesus is the reason for the season

Jesus must be spinning in his grave if he knew you guys trampled a Wal Mart worker to death to save some money on your Christmas presents.

i agree they where just animals without morals toward fellow man. but if they followed religouis teaching they would follow the golden rule, " Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

I understand that, and if some child wants it to be out, than they can just not say it...it won't hurt my feelings. Yes minority matters but lets pretend that minorities and majorities were to fight (just giving an example and how I look at it).

The majority is most likely going to win because there are more of us and we can replace the people who die more readily (kind of like the civil war where the north could replace dead soilders more readily than the south). Not all minorities agree with each other. Which means they could fight each other, and in the end for the most part the majority is going to win.

The way I look at it, I don't think you should change something just b/c a few people want it changed (compared to the amount that don't)...Yes minorities matter but I really don't think it should be removed just b/c not everybody believes in God. In 2001 76% of the US were Christians....now that may have changed but I still believe we are majority. If somebody doesn't believe in God than they can just not say that part of the pledge.

Have a happy Ramahanakwanzmas! That will satisfy most.



**Disclaimer** for me it is Christmas.

Jefffan, that post of yours was quite stupid indeed. First of all, there isn't going to be a 2nd civil war like you are calling for. Secondly, the majority doesn't always win in a war. Our loss in Vietnam is a good example of that.

True, like I said I was giving example READ ALL THE WORDS BEFORE YOU CALL SOMEBODY STUPID NEXT TIME!

And to emphasize my saying of READ ALL THE WORDS NEXT TIME I said MOSTLY not always I said MOSTLY...

If you think you were so right and smart you would of seen that!

don't let it bother you jeffan when alcoa cant' answer a question he responds with insults.

what he needs to learn is tolerance for others veiws and opinions.

There have been enough verbal warnings about posts like this. This time, warn for real.