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Title: Airline Travel Across Continents


admin - December 13, 2007 11:52 PM (GMT)
You can move your driver between the continents in the game by purchasing an airline ticket and selecting a destination of your choice on another continent. In order to purchase a ticket you must:

1) Not currently be in-route
2) Not currently own a truck (you must sell your truck before you can travel)
3) Have enough pocket money to purchase a ticket AND purchase a new truck once you reach your destination.

To access the airline travel screen click on the user posted image icon that appears on your driver display page beside your driver name. You can only travel to cities on continents that you currently do not reside on. It costs money to travel to the various cities around the world, part of the cost is determined by the distance from your current city.

On the airline travel screen in the airline ticket drop down menu, you may notice some flights in red text. This indicates that you do not currently have enough money to purchase the ticket AND purchase a new truck once you arrive.

Companies can purchase terminals across continents and can select any city in the world to be their company headquarters. Contracts and cargo demand are determined based on a world economy and will continue to function un-changed with this addition.

CGBatch - December 14, 2007 12:17 AM (GMT)
Maybe being able to have two trucks (one in North America and one in Europe) is better than having to sell one to go over to the other?

admin - December 14, 2007 01:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CGBatch @ Dec 13 2007, 07:17 PM)
Maybe being able to have two trucks (one in North America and one in Europe) is better than having to sell one to go over to the other?

I considered this but it was going to get WAY too complicated to allow drivers to have multiple trucks across continents.

dmw devil - December 14, 2007 01:20 AM (GMT)
Is there a time/FP cost associate with this travel and, if so, what is it?

Alpert - December 14, 2007 02:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Dec 13 2007, 07:20 PM)
Is there a time/FP cost associate with this travel and, if so, what is it?

That's a good question.

I think there should be an inactive period while your on the flight to make it more realistic.
EXAMPLE: If you went from D.C. to London, let's say the flight is 11 hours long, in real life. Once you select that you want to travel to London, your driver should be inactive for 11 hours.

Monster Jam - December 14, 2007 02:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Alpert @ Dec 13 2007, 09:26 PM)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Dec 13 2007, 07:20 PM)
Is there a time/FP cost associate with this travel and, if so, what is it?

That's a good question.

I think there should be an inactive period while your on the flight to make it more realistic.
EXAMPLE: If you went from D.C. to London, let's say the flight is 11 hours long, in real life. Once you select that you want to travel to London, your driver should be inactive for 11 hours.

True but what about jet lag and travel fatigue?

Alpert - December 14, 2007 02:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Monster Jam @ Dec 13 2007, 08:31 PM)
QUOTE (Alpert @ Dec 13 2007, 09:26 PM)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Dec 13 2007, 07:20 PM)
Is there a time/FP cost associate with this travel and, if so, what is it?

That's a good question.

I think there should be an inactive period while your on the flight to make it more realistic.
EXAMPLE: If you went from D.C. to London, let's say the flight is 11 hours long, in real life. Once you select that you want to travel to London, your driver should be inactive for 11 hours.

True but what about jet lag and travel fatigue?

heh, jet lag is a hard thing to program into this game, I'm sure :P

wickedj - December 14, 2007 02:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (admin @ Dec 13 2007, 08:13 PM)
QUOTE (CGBatch @ Dec 13 2007, 07:17 PM)
Maybe being able to have two trucks (one in North America and one in Europe) is better than having to sell one to go over to the other?

I considered this but it was going to get WAY too complicated to allow drivers to have multiple trucks across continents.

how so? it sounds like a helluva lot cheaper thing to do then the current system

my original thought when i saw this was "is it a move to europe or a visit" your setup makes it sound like you go to europe and your stuck there for sometime till you can afford a new truck (AGAIN) which defeats the entire purpose of buying a better truck to begin with

Phredd - December 14, 2007 03:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (admin @ Dec 13 2007, 11:52 PM)
Contracts and cargo demand are determined based on a world economy and will continue to function un-changed with this addition.

With all due respect, this could detract from the realism of the game. It could easily happen, for example, that the highest-payout, single-supplier product might be demanded only on the other continent, which would make the highest bonus unavailable. Conversely, it could be that four sites in Europe, but none or very few in the Americas, produce a commodity that is demanded by four or five cities in the Americas. The cargo would be valued at scarcity 1, but in actual fact would be scarcity .25 and should be in the top five.

In reality, trucks seldom compete directly with ships.

Alpert - December 14, 2007 05:24 AM (GMT)
Also, you can now purchase a Frequent Flyer Account for $500 and gives you 15% of all airline tickets.

Sarty - December 14, 2007 05:30 AM (GMT)
What if you didn't have to sell your truck then buy a new one?

You could "ferry" your truck in a plane to travel overseas. You would still need to purchase frequent flier miles and perhaps there could even be some f/p deducted for the path. When you land, your truck is unloaded from the huge cargo bay, you get off the plane, hop on your rig and start driving again.


Mark2600 - December 14, 2007 06:22 AM (GMT)
Love this idea, has been suggested since Day... well, like day 25 of Trukz, and glad too see it's finally gotten legs under it. I'm currently in Glasgow and gonna test out the scene.


Onto the topic, Jet Lag is a state of mind, I've flown between time zones and not ever had any issues, so it's not a physical element you could even begin to program, nor is there any sort of "Jet Lag" law out there (I'm assuming the game still goes by the actual DOT fatigue laws?), so that point is rendered completely invalid. As far as ferrying goes, you show me a ferry that goes from New York to London (maybe a ship, but not a ferry).

PGT Beauregard - December 14, 2007 07:01 AM (GMT)
You could look at this two ways.

1: Ah, but that's the fun of two continents.
Places to go! People to see! New markets to spread wealth to! People will sell their trucks more to get from continent to continent, and I like to keep up with the pace. Some months I'll truck in Europe, others in America. If half the guys I know are in America, and the bonuses are in Europe for three weeks, I get the upper end depending on where I am.
Bottom Line: Two continents create greater competition, harder decisions, more Spencer ideology ("strongest will survive," i.e. more truckers will fail due to the high rate of truck selling involved switching from continent to continent).

2: GASP!
I like the whole idea of seeing new places, but really, 80 IS A LOT OF TERMINALS. In reality, who could possibly sell their truck every two weeks or so? It's near impossible. I have to admit, America is getting boring, but they could've added more terminals so I wouldn't get bored....selling my truck? Not so great.

Thought: As a sort of compromise, I would think there should be some sort of "Store Truck" option. In essence, one can put one's truck in storage for a limited amount of time, preferably for a certain amount of money: for instance, to be able to store one's truck for $800 would give you 20 days storage. You could add an option about paying storage fees with a similar process as with loans, but I don't know how authentic that would be. You could institute a low, fixed fee per week, but then you'd have to calculate interest, and immediately, it becomes a race: how much time do I "have" to spend on this continent, how much time "can" I spend?

You could add the following limitations as well, if need be...any or all might be useful:
-No taking out loans while truck in storage, or doubled interest per week
-No buying stocks while truck in storage
-No storing truck with tickets to be paid
-No storing truck with loan out
-Must store truck in hometown city
-Must store truck in current city
-Must store truck in company terminal
-Must store truck in company HQ
-Fixed down payment? $50-$200?
-Must fly after storing truck....cannot pick truck back up again (storage facility might be angry, filing and all)

Here are some of the things this option might enable:
-Not having to constantly sell one's truck
-Not having to constantly buy new trucks
-Ability to travel more freely between different markets
-etc.

Eh?

Cummins97 - December 14, 2007 07:23 AM (GMT)
wow very nice idea, i would be all for it!

Monsters - December 14, 2007 04:27 PM (GMT)
Why oh why won't anyone say how much a plane ticket costs, I've looked everywhere, and can't find it.

dmw devil - December 14, 2007 04:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Monsters @ Dec 14 2007, 12:27 PM)
Why oh why won't anyone say how much a plane ticket costs, I've looked everywhere, and can't find it.

That and FP cost, if any.

Slick Johnson - December 14, 2007 05:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Monsters @ Dec 14 2007, 08:27 AM)
Why oh why won't anyone say how much a plane ticket costs, I've looked everywhere, and can't find it.

It costs money to travel to the various cities around the world, part of the cost is determined by the distance from your current city

they vary depending where you are flying from and where to.

Farmerboysmom3 - December 14, 2007 06:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Monsters @ Dec 14 2007, 04:27 PM)
Why oh why won't anyone say how much a plane ticket costs, I've looked everywhere, and can't find it.

Vor said that it would cost him $900 to fly to Russia and $1400 to fly to England. Link.

Phredd - December 14, 2007 07:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (admin @ Dec 13 2007, 11:52 PM)
In order to purchase a ticket you must:

1) Not currently be in-route
2) Not currently own a truck (you must sell your truck before you can travel)

If you meet these conditions an airplane icon user posted image will appear on your driver display page beside your driver name. Click the airplane icon and you will be taken to the continent city select screen.

Admin - Please consider placing the icon on _every_ page, but only allowing a ticket purchase if the conditions are met. Noone wants to sell their truck before they know how much they will need to spend to get there. Choose wrong, and you will have just cost yourself the price differential on your truck plus add-ons.

I also agree with some others that there should be a FP cost to air travel.

PGT Beauregard - December 14, 2007 07:54 PM (GMT)
Guys,
check out my idea about "Store Truck." I really think it would benefit drivers, not having to sell their trucks every time they want to invade a different market.

PGT

Embereus - December 14, 2007 08:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Phredd @ Dec 14 2007, 03:20 PM)
QUOTE (admin @ Dec 13 2007, 11:52 PM)
In order to purchase a ticket you must:

1) Not currently be in-route
2) Not currently own a truck (you must sell your truck before you can travel)

If you meet these conditions an airplane icon user posted image will appear on your driver display page beside your driver name. Click the airplane icon and you will be taken to the continent city select screen.

Admin - Please consider placing the icon on _every_ page, but only allowing a ticket purchase if the conditions are met. Noone wants to sell their truck before they know how much they will need to spend to get there. Choose wrong, and you will have just cost yourself the price differential on your truck plus add-ons.

I also agree with some others that there should be a FP cost to air travel.

I can't agree more with this. There should be a Ticket Cost chart like the Truck Lot so you can see how much it is before you sell your truck and buy it.

Phredd - December 14, 2007 09:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Phredd @ Dec 14 2007, 07:20 PM)
Admin - Please consider placing the icon on _every_ page, but only allowing a ticket purchase if the conditions are met.

Perfect! Thanks, Admin!

Embereus - December 14, 2007 09:43 PM (GMT)
lolwut? you quoted yourself and said thanks...

admin - December 14, 2007 09:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Phredd @ Dec 14 2007, 01:20 PM)
Admin - Please consider placing the icon on _every_ page, but only allowing a ticket purchase if the conditions are met. Noone wants to sell their truck before they know how much they will need to spend to get there. Choose wrong, and you will have just cost yourself the price differential on your truck plus add-ons.

I've changed the airline travel screen to allow drivers to see how much the ticket will cost before they sell their truck. Thanks for the suggestion.

Embereus - December 14, 2007 09:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (admin @ Dec 14 2007, 05:43 PM)
QUOTE (Phredd @ Dec 14 2007, 01:20 PM)
Admin - Please consider placing the icon on _every_ page, but only allowing a ticket purchase if the conditions are met.  Noone wants to sell their truck before they know how much they will need to spend to get there.  Choose wrong, and you will have just cost yourself the price differential on your truck plus add-ons.

I've changed the airline travel screen to allow drivers to see how much the ticket will cost before they sell their truck. Thanks for the suggestion.

Wonderful! Thanks admin. :D

CGBatch - December 14, 2007 11:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Monsters @ Dec 14 2007, 04:27 PM)
Why oh why won't anyone say how much a plane ticket costs, I've looked everywhere, and can't find it.

different prices depending on where you're flying to

PGT Beauregard - December 16, 2007 07:11 PM (GMT)
As a sort of compromise, I would think there should be some sort of "Store Truck" option. In essence, one can put one's truck in storage for a limited amount of time, preferably for a certain amount of money: for instance, to be able to store one's truck for $800 would give you 20 days storage. You could add an option about paying storage fees with a similar process as with loans, but I don't know how authentic that would be. You could institute a low, fixed fee per week, but then you'd have to calculate interest, and immediately, it becomes a race: how much time do I "have" to spend on this continent, how much time "can" I spend?

You could add the following limitations as well, if need be...any or all might be useful:
-No taking out loans while truck in storage, or doubled interest per week
-No buying stocks while truck in storage
-No storing truck with tickets to be paid
-No storing truck with loan out
-Must store truck in hometown city
-Must store truck in current city
-Must store truck in company terminal
-Must store truck in company HQ
-Fixed down payment? $50-$200?
-Must fly after storing truck....cannot pick truck back up again (storage facility might be angry, filing and all)

Here are some of the things this option might enable:
-Not having to constantly sell one's truck
-Not having to constantly buy new trucks
-Ability to travel more freely between different markets
-etc.

Eh?

Mr Korrupt - December 17, 2007 01:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (PGT Beauregard @ Dec 16 2007, 11:11 AM)
As a sort of compromise, I would think there should be some sort of "Store Truck" option. In essence, one can put one's truck in storage for a limited amount of time, preferably for a certain amount of money: for instance, to be able to store one's truck for $800 would give you 20 days storage. You could add an option about paying storage fees with a similar process as with loans, but I don't know how authentic that would be. You could institute a low, fixed fee per week, but then you'd have to calculate interest, and immediately, it becomes a race: how much time do I "have" to spend on this continent, how much time "can" I spend?

You could add the following limitations as well, if need be...any or all might be useful:
-No taking out loans while truck in storage, or doubled interest per week
-No buying stocks while truck in storage
-No storing truck with tickets to be paid
-No storing truck with loan out
-Must store truck in hometown city
-Must store truck in current city
-Must store truck in company terminal
-Must store truck in company HQ
-Fixed down payment? $50-$200?
-Must fly after storing truck....cannot pick truck back up again (storage facility might be angry, filing and all)

Here are some of the things this option might enable:
-Not having to constantly sell one's truck
-Not having to constantly buy new trucks
-Ability to travel more freely between different markets
-etc.

Eh?

Your really pushing your suggestion any where you can, thats good, because if that was added, i would actually consider going over to europe in the near future, instead of waiting till i hit 50 dr with the endorsements and all.

PGT Beauregard - December 17, 2007 01:27 AM (GMT)
I think it could really work. I haven't heard any negative comments yet, and would be honored to change Trukz.

Thanks Korrupt.

Everyone who can, try and check out my suggestion. I think it's worth it.

dmw devil - December 17, 2007 03:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (PGT Beauregard @ Dec 16 2007, 09:27 PM)
I think it could really work. I haven't heard any negative comments yet, and would be honored to change Trukz.

Thanks Korrupt.

Everyone who can, try and check out my suggestion. I think it's worth it.

First, the Suggestion Box is the place for suggestions; not here.

Second, Several people have brought up the "store truck" idea, each with different features, some more thought out than others. At this point, it's a question of what does Admin want to code next, especially since the more sophisticated ideas (yours included) would clearly need to be a new module for the game.

Third, I would like to point out for the Guide that flying costs 0 FP, thoguh there is still no complete fare chart - only the single-city list you can access when stopped in a city.

creativedynamo - December 17, 2007 07:42 AM (GMT)
Posting a confirmation that flying cost me 0 FP.

-cd

Killer Turtle - December 17, 2007 11:33 AM (GMT)
tickets cost between $1000 and $2000 from what I have seen.

If you click on the little plane icon in your 'View My Driver' window you can see what all the prices are.

dmw devil - December 17, 2007 04:54 PM (GMT)
Los Angeles to Samaria costs $271.61

stansuarez - December 30, 2007 12:51 AM (GMT)
Is there a limit on how many times a player can Fly per day?

Say A player flies to europe to help his company finish a contract there, but wants to fly back immediately after the contract is done(assuming it is finished on that same day)- will he be able to fly back that very same day(assuming all travel conditions are met)?

Mr Korrupt - December 30, 2007 01:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (stansuarez @ Dec 29 2007, 04:51 PM)
Is there a limit on how many times a player can Fly per day?

Say A player flies to europe to help his company finish a contract there, but wants to fly back immediately after the contract is done(assuming it is finished on that same day)- will he be able to fly back that very same day(assuming all travel conditions are met)?

No limit, you just have to have the money to buy the ticket I believe.

ukraine - December 30, 2007 01:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (stansuarez @ Dec 30 2007, 12:51 AM)
Is there a limit on how many times a player can Fly per day?

Say A player flies to europe to help his company finish a contract there, but wants to fly back immediately after the contract is done(assuming it is finished on that same day)- will he be able to fly back that very same day(assuming all travel conditions are met)?

You can also fly to Europe and back to NA.

Contract: Pick up point A and deliver point B
Sell add-ons and truck purchase cheapest ticket to EU
Purchase ticket back to point A
Buy truck and add-ons and deliver again to point B

stansuarez - December 30, 2007 04:42 PM (GMT)
You read my mind Ukraine.

It lets a player get from one point of the CONUS to the other side just in case a company contract starts with the player on the wrong side of the mainland.

mark39 - March 8, 2008 09:49 AM (GMT)
are the trucks u can buy in the european countries cheaper than here in the states...... :D

Mr Korrupt - March 8, 2008 07:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (mark39 @ Mar 8 2008, 01:49 AM)
are the trucks u can buy in the european countries cheaper than here in the states...... :D

Nope, same cost.




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