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admin - July 7, 2007 08:03 PM (GMT)
Company's have the option to invest in discounts for various items in the game that affect all memebers company wide via purchasing company items. The discounts last for 150 days and start at a base price of $50,000 plus $200 for each active member in the company. The following company items are available in the game:

user posted image Truck Purchase Discount - Provides a 10% company wide discount on truck purchases for all company members.

user posted image Fuel Discounts - Provides a 10% company wide discount on fuel purchases for all company members.

user posted image Repair Discounts - Provides a 10% company wide discount on repair fees for all company members.

user posted image Item Purchase Discounts - Provides a 10% company wide discount for all driver item purchases for all company members.

Marion Oaks - July 7, 2007 08:04 PM (GMT)
great addition admin

im planning on opening my own company

and i will certainly use some of these

zax_was_here - July 7, 2007 09:47 PM (GMT)
this game is good

sniegowski24 - July 11, 2007 02:35 AM (GMT)
can you buy any of these more than one at a time?

zax_was_here - July 11, 2007 02:46 AM (GMT)
probably not for the moment, nobody even owns one of anything

creativedynamo - July 11, 2007 02:59 AM (GMT)
It isn't clear to me -- does company-wide mean employees need to be in a city with a company terminal to get the discounts, or can they be anywhere as long as they're an employee with a participating company?

Looks like a great addition though... looking forward to using it!

zax_was_here - July 11, 2007 03:06 AM (GMT)
good point, i didnt think about that

i believe/hope that it doesnt matter where you are

Marion Oaks - July 18, 2007 08:10 PM (GMT)
couldnt you just raise the fuel percent repaid or whatever else so you wont have to pay, or will this wont add to the other one, but sort of combine?

like instead of buying the 10% fuel thing, it would raise your fuel thing to like 15% helping pay for

and it wont come out of the companys money when they use the extra items

zax_was_here - July 18, 2007 08:12 PM (GMT)
i dont think anyone is going to buy these items until they get all 20 terminals filled up

Marion Oaks - July 18, 2007 08:13 PM (GMT)
you have a point, but what about my question (can someone answer it)

Monster Jam - July 18, 2007 08:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Marion Oaks @ Jul 18 2007, 04:10 PM)
couldnt you just raise the fuel percent repaid or whatever else so you wont have to pay, or will this wont add to the other one, but sort of combine?

like instead of buying the 10% fuel thing, it would raise your fuel thing to like 15% helping pay for

and it wont come out of the companys money when they use the extra items

But the question is how much money would you loose doing it each way. If you would loose more jumping the normal fuel cost share then 50k+adjustment it might be worth it.

Marion Oaks - July 18, 2007 08:16 PM (GMT)
my question is after buying the item, will that extra 10% fuel cost removed wont come out of the companys money, or will it?

LyNkS - July 19, 2007 09:20 AM (GMT)
I am perfectly fine with the current price for these. You all must realize that these are late game items, and the game is still relatively new.

However, attaining these items is not currently worth it what so ever, I propose that we lower the price per member and raise their longevity to make them an equitable purchase. Even at 20 terminals it might not be worth it to buy them. Keeping the 50,000 dollar base cost makes sense as it keeps it a later game item, and lowering the cost per member to 250, and raising the duration of the items to 5 months to make the items purchasable for a smart CEO.

admin - July 19, 2007 03:51 PM (GMT)
Thanks for the suggestion Lynks. I've entended the life to 5 months and lowered the cost per member to $200.

Marion Oaks - July 19, 2007 04:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Marion Oaks @ Jul 18 2007, 04:16 PM)
my question is after buying the item, will that extra 10% fuel cost removed wont come out of the companys money, or will it?

admin can you answer my question

CountryPup - July 19, 2007 05:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (admin @ Jul 19 2007, 11:51 AM)
Thanks for the suggestion Lynks. I've entended the life to 5 months and lowered the cost per member to $200.

Just wondering, is the $200/member charged when the item is purchased or is it pro-rated as more drivers join?

I could see an exploit if you started a company, bought all 5 items for a total of $1,000 and then had several hundred people join. Yes, it would cost more to rebuy them in 5 months, but you could start a 2nd company with a virtually identical name rebuy all of the items for $1,000 and have all of the drivers move over. Other than possible stock price implications I don't see why a company wouldn't do this.

Monster Jam - July 19, 2007 06:04 PM (GMT)
CP its 50k$ +200$ per active driver.

LyNkS - July 20, 2007 03:12 AM (GMT)
He knows that already, his question is if it is a one time deal or if 200 is added for each new active driving using the item.

Once purchased, the price doesn't increase when you get new members. The likelyhood of someone using that exploit is minimal, and very easy to detect :)

And a big thanks to Kev!

Allnighte - July 23, 2007 06:24 PM (GMT)
just fyi, the first post still says the purchases only last 60 days (instead of 150 days = 5 months)

stevewheels - July 23, 2007 07:47 PM (GMT)
To close some exploit like this, I would think you could add some sort of code to the "hire driver" page. If company items=0, then proceed as normal. If company items=1 or more, than it costs 200 per item to add a driver.

Allnighte - August 3, 2007 09:03 PM (GMT)
is the fuel item discount applied BEFORE the company fuel assistance?

also, can someone update the first post? it still says the items last only 60 days

Brillig - August 6, 2007 05:23 PM (GMT)
Some thoughts:

The truck assistance and item assistance are problems. If a company buys one, how are they to keep people from joining, buying a new truck/items, then leaving again? (Aside from not recruiting at all). Furthermore, how does that company keep that behavior from looking like the company is exploiting when it's actually the drivers who are doing the exploiting? I don't see any reasonable way to use these other than in a company that is not recruiting at all.

It might help the situation if the truck and item assistance items could be sold back the way that truck items can (at a loss). At least then the company could control the effects. But currently, the only option for a company is to wait for five months or eat the entire cost of the item.

Finally, a question - does the repair assistance apply to overhauls?

gamer42au - August 16, 2007 11:01 PM (GMT)
Is there a lag between purchase of company items and when the drivers will see the benefit? My company purchased the Fuel Discount today, but my fuel is not cheaper yet:

Fuel Capacity: 240 Gallons
Current Fuel: 100 Gallons (41% Full)
Fuel Costs: $2.50 Per Gallon
Refuel Percent: 100% Refuel
Discount: 14%
Refueling your truck at this refuel percentage will cost you $301.89

At 14% assistance, fuel cost is $2.15
$301.89 at $2.15 = 140.41 gallons, which is 58.51% of capacity, so no company fuel discount effect yet.

Based on Admin's usual coding approach I would expect effective fuel costs in a city (once discount is active) to be:
$2.50 * (1 - .14) * (1 - .1) = $1.935

LyNkS - August 17, 2007 08:02 AM (GMT)
I know this is a bit late in the game to come up with an idea like this, but I will post it anyway in the hopes that people will agree.

I believe that company items should be priced differently. The fuel discount obviously costing the most by a large margin, with the others following in a tighter bunch behind (not sure of the exact order that would be best, input here is appreciated.)

The reason I suggest this is because it is unreasonable to charge the same amount for an item that only benefits 1/4 as much as another. Personal items are weighed properly, however, company items are not.

It would be very simple to change this, just change the amount per active driver. Something along the lines of fuel being 200/member, and the rest in the 125-175 range I'd say.

Edit: gamer42au, I have some members with the same problem. The ones with the problem have all joined after the item was purchased.

DWarrior - September 22, 2007 01:00 PM (GMT)
Did you implement a system to add the value of purchased items to the stock price? Or does the stock plummet when a company buys an item?

Trogdor - September 22, 2007 04:48 PM (GMT)
what are the prices for them?

DWarrior - October 20, 2007 08:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gamer42au @ Aug 16 2007, 07:01 PM)
Is there a lag between purchase of company items and when the drivers will see the benefit? My company purchased the Fuel Discount today, but my fuel is not cheaper yet:

Fuel Capacity: 240 Gallons
Current Fuel: 100 Gallons (41% Full)
Fuel Costs: $2.50 Per Gallon
Refuel Percent: 100% Refuel
Discount: 14%
Refueling your truck at this refuel percentage will cost you $301.89

At 14% assistance, fuel cost is $2.15
$301.89 at $2.15 = 140.41 gallons, which is 58.51% of capacity, so no company fuel discount effect yet.

Based on Admin's usual coding approach I would expect effective fuel costs in a city (once discount is active) to be:
$2.50 * (1 - .14) * (1 - .1) = $1.935

Has anybody resolved this issue? How does the 10% assistance work?

Does it get added onto the current bonus? Say your company is giving 14% fuel assistance, does that just make it into 24?

Or does it make 10% of that assistance "free"? So if your company is giving 14%, does your company now pay only 4% of that?

Or is it 10% off the base? So if at 14% you were paying $.35 of that, do you now only pay 14% of 2.25, or ~$1.94?

Nitch - October 28, 2007 08:53 AM (GMT)
i hope, someone answer the las post. here one more quetion, if we buy truck descount, we get that discount every time we buy a new truck, or only one time?

dmw devil - October 28, 2007 01:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nitch @ Oct 28 2007, 04:53 AM)
i hope, someone answer the las post. here one more quetion, if we buy truck descount, we get that discount every time we buy a new truck, or only one time?

You get the discount every time, though keep in mind, as always, that yoo must have the FULL purchase price in pocket when yoo purchase, and only after the buy do you get the 10% back into your pocket.

Nitch - October 28, 2007 01:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Oct 28 2007, 01:44 PM)
QUOTE (Nitch @ Oct 28 2007, 04:53 AM)
i hope, someone answer the las post. here one more quetion, if we buy truck descount,  we get that discount every time we buy a new truck, or only one time?

You get the discount every time, though keep in mind, as always, that yoo must have the FULL purchase price in pocket when yoo purchase, and only after the buy do you get the 10% back into your pocket.

tks, i just trying get this to my company but everyone else think diferent, and maybe now witch sure, i can get my decision move one!

about eh fuel, we get the bonus after buy the fuel to?

dmw devil - October 28, 2007 02:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (DWarrior @ Oct 20 2007, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE (gamer42au @ Aug 16 2007, 07:01 PM)
Is there a lag between purchase of company items and when the drivers will see the benefit? My company purchased the Fuel Discount today, but my fuel is not cheaper yet:

Fuel Capacity: 240 Gallons
Current Fuel: 100 Gallons (41% Full)
Fuel Costs: $2.50 Per Gallon
Refuel Percent: 100% Refuel
Discount: 14%
Refueling your truck at this refuel percentage will cost you $301.89

At 14% assistance, fuel cost is $2.15
$301.89 at $2.15 = 140.41 gallons, which is 58.51% of capacity, so no company fuel discount effect yet.

Based on Admin's usual coding approach I would expect effective fuel costs in a city (once discount is active) to be:
$2.50 * (1 - .14) * (1 - .1) = $1.935

Has anybody resolved this issue? How does the 10% assistance work?

Does it get added onto the current bonus? Say your company is giving 14% fuel assistance, does that just make it into 24?

Or does it make 10% of that assistance "free"? So if your company is giving 14%, does your company now pay only 4% of that?

Or is it 10% off the base? So if at 14% you were paying $.35 of that, do you now only pay 14% of 2.25, or ~$1.94?

There may be a 1-day lag for an item to be effective; that I don't know.

However, I can confirm that the percentage discounts relative to your company discounts add in the following way (at least for fuel, probably for repairs as well):

Base Price - Discount - Discount.

Example: item's discount is 10% and company's assistance is 10%. You would not get a blanket 20% off, but rather 10% and then another 10% (the difference being 100-20% = 80 while 100-10%=90-10%=81).

Notice how it does not matter which discount you apply first - your answer will always be the same! I'll be happy to supply the mathematical proof for that, but you try to figure it out first :^)

dmw devil - October 28, 2007 02:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nitch @ Oct 28 2007, 09:53 AM)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Oct 28 2007, 01:44 PM)
QUOTE (Nitch @ Oct 28 2007, 04:53 AM)
i hope, someone answer the las post. here one more quetion, if we buy truck descount,  we get that discount every time we buy a new truck, or only one time?

You get the discount every time, though keep in mind, as always, that yoo must have the FULL purchase price in pocket when yoo purchase, and only after the buy do you get the 10% back into your pocket.

tks, i just trying get this to my company but everyone else think diferent, and maybe now witch sure, i can get my decision move one!

about eh fuel, we get the bonus after buy the fuel to?

Since you don't need any cash on hand to purchase fuel, the bonus happens instantaneously and is just straight-up factored in to your purchase price. Thus as soon as you click on the "refuel" button, the price the pop-up quotes you is the price you'll pay - the discounts are all factored in at that point.

DWarrior - October 28, 2007 04:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Oct 28 2007, 10:00 AM)
QUOTE (DWarrior @ Oct 20 2007, 04:41 PM)
QUOTE (gamer42au @ Aug 16 2007, 07:01 PM)
Is there a lag between purchase of company items and when the drivers will see the benefit? My company purchased the Fuel Discount today, but my fuel is not cheaper yet:

Fuel Capacity: 240 Gallons
Current Fuel: 100 Gallons (41% Full)
Fuel Costs: $2.50 Per Gallon
Refuel Percent: 100% Refuel
Discount: 14%
Refueling your truck at this refuel percentage will cost you $301.89

At 14% assistance, fuel cost is $2.15
$301.89 at $2.15 = 140.41 gallons, which is 58.51% of capacity, so no company fuel discount effect yet.

Based on Admin's usual coding approach I would expect effective fuel costs in a city (once discount is active) to be:
$2.50 * (1 - .14) * (1 - .1) = $1.935

Has anybody resolved this issue? How does the 10% assistance work?

Does it get added onto the current bonus? Say your company is giving 14% fuel assistance, does that just make it into 24?

Or does it make 10% of that assistance "free"? So if your company is giving 14%, does your company now pay only 4% of that?

Or is it 10% off the base? So if at 14% you were paying $.35 of that, do you now only pay 14% of 2.25, or ~$1.94?

There may be a 1-day lag for an item to be effective; that I don't know.

However, I can confirm that the percentage discounts relative to your company discounts add in the following way (at least for fuel, probably for repairs as well):

Base Price - Discount - Discount.

Example: item's discount is 10% and company's assistance is 10%. You would not get a blanket 20% off, but rather 10% and then another 10% (the difference being 100-20% = 80 while 100-10%=90-10%=81).

Notice how it does not matter which discount you apply first - your answer will always be the same! I'll be happy to supply the mathematical proof for that, but you try to figure it out first :^)

Thanks, so it's closer to 9% assistance than 10%.

Also, while the benefit to the player is the same regardless of which bonus you apply first, it does matter to the company. If you apply the company assistance first, the company pays a larger share of the assistance.

Example:
$100 fuel, 20% company assistance, 10% item.

co assistance first: $100*.2=$20 paid by co
Item assistance first: $100*.9*.2=$18 paid by co

werdy - November 30, 2007 04:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Brillig @ Aug 6 2007, 05:23 PM)
Some thoughts:

The truck assistance and item assistance are problems.  If a company buys one, how are they to keep people from joining, buying a new truck/items, then leaving again?  (Aside from not recruiting at all).  Furthermore, how does that company keep that behavior from looking like the company is exploiting when it's actually the drivers who are doing the exploiting?  I don't see any reasonable way to use these other than in a company that is not recruiting at all.

It might help the situation if the truck and item assistance items could be sold back the way that truck items can (at a loss).  At least then the company could control the effects.  But currently, the only option for a company is to wait for five months or eat the entire cost of the item.

Finally, a question - does the repair assistance apply to overhauls?

i think to fix this problem of people joining just to buy discounted items or trucks there should be a limmit on when you can use the discounts such as a member can only use the disount if they have been in the company for x amount of days.

brnscofrnld - December 31, 2007 06:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (creativedynamo @ Jul 11 2007, 02:59 AM)
It isn't clear to me -- does company-wide mean employees need to be in a city with a company terminal to get the discounts, or can they be anywhere as long as they're an employee with a participating company?

Looks like a great addition though... looking forward to using it!

I didn't see if anyone answered this or not.


dmw devil - December 31, 2007 06:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (brnscofrnld @ Dec 31 2007, 02:45 PM)
QUOTE (creativedynamo @ Jul 11 2007, 02:59 AM)
It isn't clear to me -- does company-wide mean employees need to be in a city with a company terminal to get the discounts, or can they be anywhere as long as they're an employee with a participating company?

Looks like a great addition though... looking forward to using it!

I didn't see if anyone answered this or not.

The company discount "items" take effect no matter where in the world you are.

War Man - December 31, 2007 07:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Dec 31 2007, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (brnscofrnld @ Dec 31 2007, 02:45 PM)
QUOTE (creativedynamo @ Jul 11 2007, 02:59 AM)
It isn't clear to me -- does company-wide mean employees need to be in a city with a company terminal to get the discounts, or can they be anywhere as long as they're an employee with a participating company?

Looks like a great addition though... looking forward to using it!

I didn't see if anyone answered this or not.

The company discount "items" take effect no matter where in the world you are.

except for reduced gas. you have to be in your companies headquarters to get that.

dmw devil - December 31, 2007 07:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (War Man @ Dec 31 2007, 03:46 PM)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Dec 31 2007, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (brnscofrnld @ Dec 31 2007, 02:45 PM)
QUOTE (creativedynamo @ Jul 11 2007, 02:59 AM)
It isn't clear to me -- does company-wide mean employees need to be in a city with a company terminal to get the discounts, or can they be anywhere as long as they're an employee with a participating company?

Looks like a great addition though... looking forward to using it!

I didn't see if anyone answered this or not.

The company discount "items" take effect no matter where in the world you are.

except for reduced gas. you have to be in your companies headquarters to get that.

Wrong discount, War Man.

The Company 10% Discount Item takes effect no matter where you are.

There is a separate 25% discount on repairs and fuel that only takes effect in company headquarters.

War Man - December 31, 2007 07:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Dec 31 2007, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE (War Man @ Dec 31 2007, 03:46 PM)
QUOTE (dmw devil @ Dec 31 2007, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (brnscofrnld @ Dec 31 2007, 02:45 PM)
QUOTE (creativedynamo @ Jul 11 2007, 02:59 AM)
It isn't clear to me -- does company-wide mean employees need to be in a city with a company terminal to get the discounts, or can they be anywhere as long as they're an employee with a participating company?

Looks like a great addition though... looking forward to using it!

I didn't see if anyone answered this or not.

The company discount "items" take effect no matter where in the world you are.

except for reduced gas. you have to be in your companies headquarters to get that.

Wrong discount, War Man.

The Company 10% Discount Item takes effect no matter where you are.

There is a separate 25% discount on repairs and fuel that only takes effect in company headquarters.

thats what i meant. the 25 percent one.
sorry wasnt clear enough

George Lashkhi - March 24, 2008 05:36 AM (GMT)
Official cost of 2009 Mack CXU613 is 110K
I have 104K in cash following return of stocks etc

Company I'm a member of has Truck Purchase discount

That means I should be able to get the truck mentioned at 99K

And yet it doesn't show up on the purchase truck link, stopping abruptly at 2008 Kenworth W900 which is offered at 90K

A bug?





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