Title: Mastering
Description: +tools
cyberia - September 24, 2007 07:39 PM (GMT)
Loipon egw xrisimopoiw ws DAW to FL Studio 7
ekei kanw oti kanw. Exw fortwsei ta Waves 5 kai oti epeksergasia thelw na kanw se enan ixo to kanw apo ekei. auto to xrisimopoiw kai ws ena typo mastering. den thelw na kanw polla sto track meta to rendering. An thelw kati to pernaw sto Wavelab h to Sound Forge 9 kai teleiwnw me tis leptomeries.
seira sas..
noise phreak - September 24, 2007 10:41 PM (GMT)
Oreos!!! ala den katalava ti ine to DAW!!!
Vertigo - September 25, 2007 03:06 PM (GMT)
Delerius - September 25, 2007 03:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (noise phreak @ Sep 25 2007, 01:41 AM) |
| Oreos!!! ala den katalava ti ine to DAW!!! |
to daw einai to programa poy exeis gia na grafeis....
p.x. FL 7, Reason 4, Logic....kai paei legontas.....
to mastering einai megali istoria...
kapoia stigmi tha sas ti dihgithw.....
Vertigo - September 25, 2007 04:33 PM (GMT)
to mastering einai gia 2 idon anthropous. o protos einai o sound engineer o idikos.
o deyteros einai aytos pou dn einai sxetikos alla gia anexigitous logous molis kathete brosta apo tin konsola kanei apisteyta pragmata.
oloi oi alloi pou prospathoun psaxnoun manuals tips kai progs dn exoun melon kai kalo tha itan gia to mastering tous na apeythinthoun se enan apo tous 2 parapano.
plus nomizo ixe pei kapia stigmi o phatjak pos iparxei ena site pou to exoun top paragogoi pou kanoun masterings gia gnostous kallitexnes kai tous stelneis to track sou kai sto epistrefoun etimo enadi kapion xrimaton pou apo oti thimame dn itan pola ta xrimata.
ps. an milame gia uplifting kathra i sizitisi paei peripato dn xriazete mastering
ekanan mastering oi space?
Delerius - September 25, 2007 05:24 PM (GMT)
entaksy...to oti den ekanan oi space..kai oi star...kai oi cyan..den paei na pei oti en eth 2007+ den tha kanoume ki emeis....
isws tote na min to gnwrizan...(pou den to nomizw...)
pantos einai polly perissotera apo ena apo compressor..kai maximazer to mastering...apo ti ligi phra poy exw.... :PP (tromara m)
c.h.a.o.s - September 25, 2007 06:02 PM (GMT)
sinithos vazo to track sto magix lab studio pou exo kai ekei meta apo ena elafri declicker kai dehisser se merika simeia pou tsitonoune ta ixeia mou ,kano ena wide stereo image filtro kai ena elafri compression an den akougetai kala...
Teleutaia omos logo varemaras apla vazo to track san wav sto soundforge 9 kai afou kano ena remove dc offset se olo to track epita vazo ena filtro wave hammer ->master for 16bit kai sto telos ena eq me elafro peiragma stis psiles tpt allo...
Exile - September 25, 2007 07:46 PM (GMT)
Aytoi pou psaxnoun tips kai manual exoun mellon.
To 90% ton sound engineers stin Ellada kanoun mastering ebirika.Ta teleftea xronia tin psaxnoun kapoioi.
noise phreak - September 25, 2007 08:43 PM (GMT)
Loipon Ego vazo EQ se kathe chanell elafri mesa sto FL gia arxi meta apo kei ke pera kapioi compressors ala xrisimopio presets gt den xero na tous xeirizome! Meta kano export os wav ke pali sto FL import !! ....... gia fto leo online tutorials gt kegomaste!!!!!!!!
cyberia - September 25, 2007 10:00 PM (GMT)
Eq se kathe channel oxi pistevw pws einai ypervoli...
Vertigo - September 25, 2007 10:34 PM (GMT)
exile simfonoume kai diafonoume taytoxrona. ayto to ebiriko pou les paei stin katigoria pou sou ipa. ena manual dn borei na se kanei engineer i toxeis i dn toxeis. boreis na voithitheis alla dn tha sou klisoun doulia gia episimi ixografisi kapiou gnostou kallitexni. to 90% ayton pados pou kanoun mastering stin ellada se megalous epagelmaties einai sound engineers PROs apo sxoli kai exoterika
elaxistoi oi ebirikoi kai aytoi megala taleda genikotera sto producing
Vertigo - September 25, 2007 10:35 PM (GMT)
eq se kathe kanali einai ipervoli vale sto master na telioneis. kita me tutorials dn matheneis xehaste ta ayta alios tha itan oloi aytodidaktoi. an dn sou vgenei apo mono tou pas se sxoli
cyberia - September 25, 2007 10:54 PM (GMT)
Diafonw teleiws.
Den yparxei kati pou exeis h den exeis. einai kati pou matheneis kai exeis endiaferwn h oxi opote kai den matheneis.
kai enas EQ sto master den sou lunei to provlima. to thema einai na rythmiseis swsta ton kathe ixo pou tha xrisimopoieiseis.
noise phreak - September 25, 2007 11:36 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (cyberia @ Sep 25 2007, 10:54 PM) |
| to thema einai na rythmiseis swsta ton kathe ixo pou tha xrisimopoieiseis. |
Akrivos!!! ke giafto vazo eq se kathe kanali ke an einai sample tote ta ftiaxno sto wav editor tou nero i mesa sto fl pali ke ta kana save meta gia pio grigori xrisi!
Simfono ke me ton Vertigo ala ke me ton Cyberia gia to thema tou i to exeis i oxi...nomizo pos kapia efesi prepei na tin exeis etsi oste ta mathimata na exun kapio apotelesma ke epomenos pistevo pos mporeis na didaxteis to mastering.
Apo kei ke pera iparxun atoma pu apo ti fisi tous exoun ''afti'' ke to katexoun to sigekrimeno thema apo tin arxi! Me tin empeiria omos oloi mathenoume siga siga, ekpedevete to afti ke mathenume ke nees texnikes veltionontas etsi ton hxo mas!
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 02:14 PM (GMT)
kathe mera na pigeneis sto odio ateliotes ores kai na mathis piano
ray charles den tha gineis stin kamia
ps. o ray dn didaxtike apo odio. monos tou apo mesa tou
pigazei to taledo tou. diavase kai aristoteli pou leei ta idia.
cyberia - September 26, 2007 07:18 PM (GMT)
Den pa na to leei ki o euripidis...eleos
egw kserw to oti an thes na to psaxeis simenei otyti se eksitarei. ara mporeis na kaneis thaumata.
noise phreak - September 26, 2007 08:05 PM (GMT)
Re nick o aristotelis xero poli kala ti eipe!! Eipe oti oloi eimai en dinamei ikanoi gia kati!!! Exoume kapies Ikanotites ek fiseos apo tin imera pu geniomaste ke tis ipoloipes tis exoume en dinamei dld exoume kapies dinatotites!!!
To poies dinatotites tha anaptixoume einai analoga sto perivalon sto opio megalonoume ke allilepidroume. Min to psaxneis..
ama pareis ena paidi(apo ti vrazilia :P ) ke to valeis se ena domatio me mia mpala podosferou ke to afiseis ekei 10 xronia xero tha ginei o epomenos ronaldinho! ke as min eixe paixei pote podosfero mexri tote!! :P vevea tha tu les kalimera ke tha sou leei '' die motherfucker dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee '' xero go .....
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 08:45 PM (GMT)
dn xero ti en dinami eipe egw leo kati allo. ixe pei pos se adithesi me allous pou elegan pos OOOOOLA didaskode pos exoume klisis. o kathigitis, o didaskalos mas voithaei na exelixthoume alla pano se mia klisi mas. kai ixe pei pos egw an dn exo klisei stin kithara xaraktiristika oso kai an mou to dixoun den tha matho pote
twra o kathenas exei tin apopsi tou den tha piso egw ton cyberia. xestika.
egw xero oti den boro na kano mia eythia grami kai 100 daskaloi top na pesoune pano mou na zografizo den tha matho. apopsi mou.
cyberia - September 26, 2007 08:54 PM (GMT)
En dynami ki en Katakleidi xestika paromoiws. oti pistevei o kathenas as to pistevei. H apolutotita einai asximo pragma. gi auto egw pote den lew oti kapoio pragma "etsi einai" kai lew "gia mena einai etsi".
Kai den milaw gia pragmata pou einai stadar typou: px. 1+1=2.
telos auto einai apoluto kai stadar.
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 08:55 PM (GMT)
simfono. i apolitotita dixnei kai egoismo. gia ayto leo apopsi mou. pou simeni oti ime kathara ipokimenikos :)
Delerius - September 26, 2007 08:56 PM (GMT)
o kathenas to antilamvanete me to diko toy tropo...
to thema exei pws ama exeis talendo kai ikanotites...tis opoies mporeis na aksiopoieiseis...kai oxi na tis thapseis...kaneis thaymata....
kai to vasikotero ksexasate na anaferete...gia na kaneis swsta ti doyleia ayti tha perpei na exeis kai kalo ayti...diaforetika ...asto.....na to parei to potami....
noise dikio exeis gia to eq...se kathe instrument...alla oxi gia mastering....(fl....qbase diafores)... ekei to poly ena eq gia na ftiakseis...xontrika tis psiles kai tis xamiles...kai se orismenes periptwseis kalo einai na min xrisimopoieiseis...
prwsopika...akoloythw tin eksis seira...
eq (spania...)->compressor->maximazer->stereo enhancer (arketa xrisimo tha elega)
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 08:59 PM (GMT)
edx kala ola ayta alla egw pistevo oti imaste ena matso asxetoi pou kathomaste kai milame siberilamvanomenou kai tou eaytou mou. an dn exeis kanei mastering se kapion sovaro artist na exeis katsei brosta stin konsola apla kaneis theories
as katsoume as doulepsoume as krithoume kai meta as kanoume theoria.
ps. pados an to skefteis leon exetias tou pc vgenoun 1.000.000 paragogoi tin ora
pou theoroun pos exoun taledo kai oloi me tutorials prospathoun na ginoun professionals
les na petixoun kai oi 1.000.000?
Delerius - September 26, 2007 09:04 PM (GMT)
sta mathimatika kai sti statistiki den ta paw kala...
to sigoyro einai pws opoios exei musiki paidia...poy ligoi apo aytoys tha exoyn...
estw kai ta vasika...toy pentagramoy...kati tha kanoyn..se epipedo composing..
twra se production einai kathara sti krisi toy kathenos kai sto pws antilamvanete ton hxo t...dld tin mousiki taftotita toy...ayto poy mas vohtha na ton anagnorisoyme...
kai omologoymenos se production kanenas toys pera apo ena 10% den tha apoferei kalo apotelesma....(ta lew xontrika gia na min pesoyme se treles analyseis kai xwris ousia...)
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 09:06 PM (GMT)
pali se vrisko lathos. vgenoun xero egw 2 mousikoi apo odia me mousiki pedia.
o enas tha ginei o fivos. o allos tha didaskei se gimnasio.
kai oi 2 exoun ta exegia. o 1s exei to taledo
Delerius - September 26, 2007 09:11 PM (GMT)
den einai aparetito....
gt o ena epelekse kariera kai o allos thelei na moirastei ayto poy agapa me ta paidia....
kai opws ki esy prepei na gnwrizeis....oi perissoteroi poy einai atalandoi..gt sti mouski ayto isxiei...se megalo vathmo... apo ta prwta kiolas vimata toys...katalavainoyn oti den toys paei opote ta paratane kai pleoyn se alla pelagoi...twra an exoyn pisma kai oreksi na mathoyn einai allo thema...pantos empirika s lew pws oi perissoteroi poy den eixan klisi sti moysiki ta paratagan apo ta prota kiolas mathimata...
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 09:15 PM (GMT)
den katalaves ti eipa. dn sto ipa oti tha pane sta pedia na didaxoun apo epilogi alla apo apelpisia. pistepse me poloi to agapane alla den ginode oloi kraounakis.
kai epidi den pianeis ayto pou leo pare allo paradigma akoma pio apto an thes.
sou perno enan arithmo ok?
50 spoudastes mousikis paragogis
50 lipon ston Omiro
50 stin Domi
50 ston ant1
50 stin akmi
sinolo 200.
ok?
lipon kapioi tha exoun ton paragogo tou hatzigianni kathigiti
alloi ton cambas alloi ton gounari.
200 atoma tha didaxtoun apo tous top.
oi 100 sou lew egw oxi apla tha tous aresei tha to latrevoun
tha palepsoun sklira.
epanalamvano
ana omada
OLOI THA EXOUN DIDAXTEI APO TON IDIO
OLOI STO SINOLO APO TOUS TOP
E ENAS agapw TO KERATO MOU KAI AYTO PEZEI
THA GINEI O EPOMENOS SUPER SINTHETIS
KAI AYTO PEZETE
ME PIANEIS?
Delerius - September 26, 2007 09:23 PM (GMT)
apo tin arxi to katalava ti itheles na peis...
den xreiazotan na to analyseis toso....:lol:
alla kai pali....mmm....twra poy to skeftika oi kathigites aytoi..den einai san ta tutorials?
egw pistevw pws o kathenas mas...pou thelei na asxolithei...me to production part, eite apo tutorials eite apo top producers to idio pragma einai (sxedon). kai sxedon gt me ton top professora tha exeis mia sigoyria oti den tha kaneis kati lathos otan tha energeis monos ws producer mias kai tha exeis ti sigouria oti didaxtikes tis top texnikes apo toys top tou eidoys...
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 09:26 PM (GMT)
diafono katheta. dn boreis na exisoneis enan anthropo me ena tutorial.
o anthropos exei doulepsei me 100 moysikous kai exei ebiria apo pragmatiki zoi
etsi kai alios ta tutorial grafode apo anthropino xeri kai vasi ebirias den exisonete.
den tha valo ton cambas pou spoudase ameriki i ton plesa xero egw me ena tutorial. en pasi periptosi ase tous kathigites stin apexo.
me to allo simfonis? i pisteveis oti kai oi 100-200 pou tha to theloun kai tha to kinigisoun kai oi 200 tha einai stin diskografia?
Delerius - September 26, 2007 09:27 PM (GMT)
me to allo nai eimai mazi s...apla prin eixes pei megalo noymero.....kai parksigithike...
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 09:33 PM (GMT)
kai sou leo kai to allo. PERNO ton eayto mou. prepei na exeis katalavei oti LATREVO tin mousiki. Exo kanei thisies gia tin mousiki. Pisteveis pos egw an pao grafto sto panepistimio pou evgale o gpal kai agonisto san pouustis diavazo kathemera grafo kathe mera 24 ores mousiki kano oles tis askisis kai paro kai epeno apo tin sxoli oti tha gino gpal? enoo stin klasi tou gpal? giati egw poli amfivalo. kai alloi vgalane ellines panepistimia kanoun kariera alla gpal den eginan
pistevo pos kapioi anthropoi apla toxoun re file kai dn xriazode na kanoun polla
o timbaland megalose se dromous pou peftan pistolidia oxi pc dn ixe dn ixe kan stereo. epeze armonio apo ayta me ta elicoptera ta pedika
merika xronia argotera xoris na pei odio i otidipote kai xoris tutorials kai malakies
EINAI ANEXARTITOS GOUSTOU O PIO GAMOAKRIVOPLIROMENOS PARAGOGOS TOU PLANITI APO DURAN DURAN MEXRI MADONNA
PES MOU TWRA POS AYTOS DN EIXE TALEDO
ITAN I KLISI TOU.
Delerius - September 26, 2007 09:37 PM (GMT)
tha s pw allo paradeigma....me ena mono name....
Stevie Wonder...
toulaxiston symfonoume sto gegonos pws gia na gineis epitiximenos prepei na exeis talento sti mousiki...(kai oxi sta xeili opws leei kai i kokkinoy :P )
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 09:42 PM (GMT)
sostos. pados an thelei kapios na mathei mastering egw me ayta pou leo den thelo na ton apotrepso kai tutorials as diavasei gia na voithithei kai oti thelei
APLA MIA SIMVOULI. GIA MASTERING DOSTE 9 RIMADOEVRO PIGEDE SE ENA STUDIO KAI KATHISTE SE MIA TERASTIA YAMAHA KONSOLA NA TO APOLAYSETE
ps. dn exo xrisimopiisei tutorials pote giati dn ipakouo se kanones. dn mou aresei na mou lene KANE ayto. ipakouo se kapia poly stadar alla ta tutorials exoun poly bla bla kado etsi kado alios dn periorizote mono sta stadar kai ekei mou tin varaei
grafo mousiki myway den tha mou pei kapios oti den boro na vazo rithmisi drum reverb sto basso giati xero paragogous pou to kanoun kai einai arketa epitiximenoi
plus oti thelo na piramatizome kai na anakalipto ton apoklistika diko mou tropo dimiourgias
Vertigo - September 26, 2007 09:52 PM (GMT)
pistevo stin aytoekfrasi. an einai diavazoume oloi ena manual kai kanoume oloi pano kato to idio.
kai kano enan paralilismo pou an kai ligo akiros nomizo poli eystoxos.
pare paradigma tin moda. pernoun ta koritsakia alla kai ta agorakia twra pia(eimai kai fashionista) to periodiko kai sou lene valto etsi valto alios oxi ayto to xroma
oxi ekino kai vgenoun exo ta legomena TREDONIA pou oloi exoun to idio manual
kai einai oles kai oloi to idio.
E OXI RE FILO PROTIMO NA EIMAI O DIMIOURGOS TIS MODAS O TRENDSETTER
me pianeis? leei sto tade periodiko oxi sagionara me jean kai vlepeis tin epomeni gamomera tous Dolce&Gabbana me sagionara kai jean
DEN IPAKOUME SE KANONES OI PRAGMATIKOI DIMIOURGOI TOUS FTIAXNOUN
KANOUN TO DIAFORETIKO XEHORIZOUN.
apopsi mou pada elpizo na to pianeis to minima mesa apo ton fashion paralilismo
noise phreak - September 26, 2007 10:32 PM (GMT)
kala to gamisame to topic!
Se teliki analisi o Steve Vai (megas virtuozos tis Hlektrikis Kitharas--an den exete akusei katevaste to tender surrender kai to for the love of god) den ixere kithara sxedon katholou...pige sto Petruzzi( aposteftos kitharistas) ke tu ta eskase... tou leei thelo na mu matheis oti xereis gia tin kithara...ke idou to apotelesma !! ekane treli exaskisi ,theoria ta panta! ''epeza mexri pu matonane ta xeria'' sigekrimena oi diloseis tou!!
Katevaste pantos an sas endiaferei Steve Vai , Petrucci , Satriani akoma ke Dream Theatre...exun apistefta tragudia, me tromeres melodies ke einai mia terasti pigi empnefsis!
Spectrum - September 26, 2007 11:52 PM (GMT)
apo osa eida ola osa lete ypagontai sto mixing.
ennoeitai iparxoun diafores stis texnikes pou xrisimopoiei o kathenas gia na grapsei, na mixarei...na zografisei, na mageirepsei, otidipote.
yparxoun parolayta kapoioi kanones pou kaleitai na tous ypakousei kapoios pou thelei na veltistopoiisei tis paragoges tou...
einai eykolo gia enan akroati na leei 'de me noiazei i kali paragogi', kapoios omos pou emvathinei sto antikeimeno, arga i grigora tha katalavei oti
i kali paragogi paizei poly megalo rolo gia to poso kalo akougetai ena kommati.
i alitheia einai oti i cheezy uplifting typou darma, apo ti fisi tis kapou frenaretai se ena simeio, apo thema paragogis.
ara kapoios pou exei skopo na anaparagei pista ton klasiko elliniko ekwfantiko ixo, den einai anagi na kourazetai me texnikes k leptomeries apo pleyras ixolipsias.
gia na exoun aksia ta tips pou tha proteino, tha thimiso gia pollosti fora poso simantiki einai i parousia IXOU.
de ftanei na exei kapoios kalo ayti.an den exei aksioprepes xwro k ixosistima me kali apokrisi, tote paei tsampa.
k otan leo ayti, den ennoo mousiko ayti gia na grapso mia orea melodia.alla ayti ixolipti, pou tha apofasisei edo tha kopso, edo tha boostaro, ktl.
proteino eq (paragraphic) se kathe kanali, giati etsi topotheteis kathe stoixeio tis meiksis sto 'xwro tou' kata kapoio tropo...etsi oste na min 'peftei to ena pano sto allo'.
p.x.
synithizo na kovo ta leads gyrw sta 125hz k katw, gia na min peftoun pano sta bassa.
genika isxyei k o kanonas 'opou adeiazeis gemizeis, k to antistrofo'.
diladi an se ena organo exeis boostarei gyrw sta 500hz as poume, prepei na tsekareis mipos vavouriazei, pou shmainei, oti prepei na boostareis allou, i na kopseis aytes tis syxnotites apo ena allo organo...
episis:
to boostarisma me metro.na kovete panta perissotero
apo oti boostarete.dieykolynete ti meiksh sas etsi, giati apeleytheronontai dynamikes.
prosoxi apo to poly kopse-kopse mporei na sas 'adeiasei' to kommati.
giayto fortonoume ena spectrum analyzer na doume ti paizei, k meta 'gemisoume' i adeiazoume symfwna me tin parapano texniki.
teleytaia ektos apo eq, vazo k compressor se kathe kanali.
einai sxolastiko alla to apotelesma einai poly kalo.
epeidi einai gegonos oti o comp alloionei xroies, i seira einai comp->eq.
an to eq paei proto, i prosthiki tou compressor meta, tha allaksei ixitika opoia douleia kanate me to eq.
ayto proteinoun k oi perissoteroi mixing engineers symfona me osa exo diavasei.
fysika oi rythmiseis tou comp tha poikiloun apo organo se organo.k o megalyteros kritis giayto einai ta aytia sas.
gia tin akriveia...ta 2 zeygaria aytia sas pou prepei na exete stin pena.
(ta aytia sas k nai...ta IXEIA sas)
oxi perissotera gia na mi mperdeyteite.
toulaxiston ayta ta liga gia comp k eq.
pisteyo na sas voithisoun.
*waves tip: protimate to REQ apo to Q-10.mporei na min estiazei me tosi akriveia alla einai pio kalo.
Vertigo - September 27, 2007 10:44 AM (GMT)
o spec sta dika mou logia erxete. ti kanei o spec? protinei tropous kai tips istera apo diki tou paratirisi. ayto leo kai egw. min akolouthite pista oti ma oti lene ta tutorials xero go e giati oloi tha vgazoume ta idia. tespa
opos exo pei edo kai 3 selides egw pistevo oti kapia pragmata i taxeis i dn taxeis
den pistevo pos meso tis didaskalias boreis na kaneis thavmata opos leei o cyberia allios meso tis didaskalias boro na gino taytoxronos ilektrologos, giatros, pilotos. arxidia o kathenas exei klisi gia kati. ayto pistevo
cyberia - September 27, 2007 11:52 AM (GMT)
we dont need no education..
kai leme gia apolutotites.
myStiq^ - September 27, 2007 06:41 PM (GMT)
ektos aftou, ka8e eidos mousikis exei edelws diaforetiko tropo finirismatos ;)
cyberia - September 27, 2007 07:53 PM (GMT)
mystic milame gia uplifting
an den sou aresei ta mpogalakia sou kai sallo forum :D :P
Spectrum - September 27, 2007 10:15 PM (GMT)
nomizo o monos kindynos na grapseis karmpon me kapoion allo, einai i sovari elleipsi epirown.
einai k thema nootropias.an theleis pragmatika na kaneis kati diko sou, tha vreis to dromo sou.fysika de ginetai apo ti mia mera stin alli.
den einai kako na mathaineis pragmata arkei na ta xrisimopoieis syneidita, gia na ta fereis sta dika sou metra.