Title: Ka8e Voi8ia Dekti,oti Proeriste
vagelisda - January 4, 2008 05:58 PM (GMT)
8elw na asxoli8w ksana ligo me grapsimo mousikis ston eley8ero xrono mou,palia egrafa ki egw me mad,alla lew na ksekinisw diaforetika,ligo pio swsta,ti mou proteinete gia na ksekinisw???genika ma8ainw eykola(ma8aina toulaxiston),px,me cubase kai vsts eimai entaksei???se vsts 8a vrw kai drums as poume kai basses kai leads???ti mou proteinete???gia na kanw compress se pou exw akousei oti xreiazetai se kapoia drums,ayta ginontai mesa apo to idio to programma i 8elw kai kati epipleon?den me endiaferei poly i dyskolia,oso to na einai kati kalo,wste na min xreiazetai na ma8ainw alla programmata meta kai ftou ksana,ti 8ewreitai koryfaios syndiasmos soft?genika opoia symvouli mou dwsete gia to ti software,alla kai hardware 8elw(px,8a 8elw ena midi keyboard ypo8etw e?) 8a einai kati parapanw apo polytimi
thanks
(mporw na vrw ena vivlio gia cubase sx2,exei poly megali diafora me to sx3?)
Delerius - January 4, 2008 06:20 PM (GMT)
kat'arxas, prepei na rwtiseis ton eayto s, ti akrivws einai ayto poy psaxneis...dld thes kati polyploko? (vlepe to cubase sx3, pro-tools, sonar 7) gt den fantazome pws toylaxiston twra stin arxi tha exeis tin oreksi na paidefteis toso poly me ta xilades vsti kai tis ateleiwtes dinatothtes toys....
kai to fl me vsti paizei, alla exei orismena bult-in poio oloklhromena, kata tin apopsi m (ennoodas oti tha ta usareis, oxi opws ayta poy exei to qbase pou den tha polyxrisimpoihseis...dld ti xrhsh na ta kaneis? mallon oxi...den tha ta agikseis kan)
opote mia epilogi einai to fl aplo...kai sxetika lito, meta pame se mia vathmida parapanw...to Reason 4, ekei ta exeis ola...apo fx mexri kai oti mporeis na fantasteis..arkei na to fantasteis...kai einai kai poio eykolo na exeis dikoy s hxous, kathos mporeis na xrhsimopoihseis aneta oti sample exeis 'h vreis stin poria....
ayta ta oliga....gia arxi...
twra gia poy prepei na kaneis compress to kick ki an ontws prepei einai kathara to ti thes na kaneis...mporei nai na min kaneis katholoy compress, alla ayta einai gia poly argotera den xreiazete na vasanizese apo twra poy, logika kiolas, ksekinas poio sovara tin enasxolisi ayti...
elpizw na se vohthisa ligaki...
vagelisda - January 4, 2008 06:51 PM (GMT)
Me voi8as polu,alla opws eida den me endiaferei o va8mos duskolias,alla poio 8a vgalei tin kalyteri poitita
Delerius - January 4, 2008 06:58 PM (GMT)
ekei exei na kanei me allo thema...an ta xrhsimopoihseis swsta, ola vgazoun ikanopoihtika apotelesmata... klassika omos kapoio poio studio like program..tha einai poio kalo ston hxo pou apodidei. gia mena einai kathara thema ypokeimeniko mias kai an kaneis xrisi samples ta opoia einai swsta, dld einai se apsogi poiotita, kai oxi samples poy eginan se xrono dt gt kapoios viazotan....oti kai na exeis xalia poiotita tha exeis se hxo, se ayto to thema o monos symvoylos einai enas: to ayti s, ola ta alla einai deyterevonta...
BrainSysteM - January 4, 2008 11:37 PM (GMT)
vagelisda to 8ema einai opws eipe kai o Delerius poso kala ksereis na xrisimopoieis to programma sto opoio douleueis.
To export engine tou Cubase einai elafrws kalitero apo tou Reason 4 vevaiws, alla ena exported wave apo to Reason 4 an to peraseis apo soundforge to apotelesma aksizei oso kai tou Cubase, ara oson afora tin poiotita einai SXEDON ta idia.
Kserw paidia pou exoun tis texnikes na vgaloun kalitero apotelesma apo to Cubase me to Reason 3.
Skepsou oti oi Darma vgazan tetoion ixo me madtracker mono.
Egw sou proteinw Reason 4, ta exei OLA ektos apo VST.
Ta VST apla kanoun to ergo sou pio eukolo.
To apotelesma eite xrisimopoieis Reason 4, eite xrisimopoieis (Cubase/FL) me VST's poiotika 8a eina ito idio an ergasteis swsta, apla 8a allaksei o tropos pou ergazesai.
Oson afora to compression, to Reason exei oti xreiazesai gia na to kaneis.
I megali diafora twn koinwn DAW's kai tou Cubase (kai olwn twn allwn programmatwn tou epipedou tou) einai oti mporeis na ixografiseis kapoio organo 'i fwnitika.
Oti 8eleis pairneis oti 8eleis dialegeis.
Aqua-Technology - January 4, 2008 11:48 PM (GMT)
Loipon kala auta pou lete apo pano kai sosta...
Ego na sou po ti kano...
Exo to mad tracker kai bgazo melodies...
Epeita ta kano xport se midi k import sto Qbase...
Glitono xrono kai paidema...
Sunisto Qbase logo poiotitas kai upostirixi vst...
Kai eukolias as poume...
Ama afieroseis liges ores sto manual tha bgeis asproprosopos
epeidi tha exeis katanoisi ti leitourgeia tou!
Pleon ta vst exoun antikatastisei polles leitourgies kai organa...
Liges sostes epiloges ama kaneis,tha eisai comple apo organa kai
apo drum kits...
Ama xekiniseis tha sou proteino kai ta katallila vst gia tin katallili mousiki!
Mporeis epeisis na matheis kai to Reason 4 k meso technologias rewire
na kaneis polla...
*Ola kanoun douleia...to thema einai,pio prog tha fenete poli oikeio se
esena,ego prosopika etc to vlepo!
Exile - January 6, 2008 01:15 AM (GMT)
Lipon file tora siga-siga o kathenas tha sou protini to programa pou xrisimopoioi.
Ego sou leo epelexe ayto pou goustaris esi.Ola vgazoun poli kali piotita an xrisimopiithoun sosta.Mono to FL emena prosopika me xalai o ixos tou logo diaforetikis kodikopiisis ston ixo tou genika.
Den boris na bis apotoma sta vathia.Xekina opos ixeres kai ligo-ligo tha mathis perisotera.
Ta vst sigoura tha einai politima arxika kai sto mellon.Se vst tha vris otidipote thes.
Ena midi controller einai xrisimo idietera an xrisimopiisis Cubase/Nuendo/Live/Reason.
Episis karta ixou kai kala monitors......alla min protrexis.
Prota vres to programa pou sou kani kai ta vst pou tha xrisimopiisis.
c.h.a.o.s - January 6, 2008 01:07 PM (GMT)
xekina me oti thes...Dose varos sto prog pou voleuei to stylaki sou...
Ola ta progs exoun ta kata kai ta sin tous..
Opos eipe kai o exile ena midaki,ena zeugari studio ixeia kai mia kali karta ixou(apo audigy,delta,xonar) oti thes panta..Kai vevaia psakse se kana torrent gia kana vst synth(nexus,vanguard,albino,fm8,absynth)...Min xehnas vevaia kai tis palies kales samplarismenes mpotes kai effedakia kai ta klapatsibala etsi gia to gamoto..An psakseis sto net gia samples tha vreis arketa..(Tora gia uplifting mpotes den xero)..Anevazoume oi edo merika setakia apo samples..Den xanomaste..
Kali arxi..
vagelisda - January 6, 2008 03:28 PM (GMT)
wraia!!!eyxaristw poly paidia,isastan arketa katatopistikoi,apofasisa na vrw cubase sx3 kai na katsw na paideytw mexri na vgalw ligo akri kai na ksekinisw,thanks
vagelisda - January 6, 2008 07:37 PM (GMT)
kai mia erwtisi akoma:ta studio ixia,den 8a 8eloun kai enisxyti?i einai energa?i ta enisxyei i karta ixou?
chaostar_ - January 6, 2008 08:08 PM (GMT)
iparxoun autoenisxiomena se polles times apo polles eteries gia kathe valladio! B) ine i kaliteri lisi gia home studio katastasis
vagelisda - January 6, 2008 08:39 PM (GMT)
poly kala!!!thanks! :rolleyes:
Aqua-Technology - January 7, 2008 11:00 PM (GMT)
Eixa vgalei mia timi gia home studio,konta sta 700e ...
Karta ixou k monitors M-Audio...(i karta itan ap`tis top erasitexnikes)
260 monitor k 450 i karta ixou!
Exile - January 8, 2008 12:13 AM (GMT)
Mallon prepi na anastrepsis tis times.
Toso ftina monitor,mono monitor den einai.Karta ixou 450 euro???
Eleos re.
Tsekare mia kali protasi apo timi kai piotita sta 600 euro.
Monitors sta 400euro:
http://www.thomann.de/gr/krk_rp6.htmKarta ixou sta 200 euro:
http://www.thomann.de/gr/maudio_fast_track_pro.htm
Delerius - January 8, 2008 09:42 AM (GMT)
Isws itan to 1 monitor sta 260...karta hxou exoun kai anw twn 1000... alla tha eixes ena mhxanima dynato se epeksergasia shmatos kai adynamo se apodosh toy hxoy...
alla gt na parei usb interface?
kalytera den einai na einai se pci 'h pci-e?
c.h.a.o.s - January 8, 2008 03:10 PM (GMT)
ntaxei o exile exei super duper monitors..Ok ta studiopro tis m-audio eidika auta sta 130 euro(KAI TA DYO) einai mia poli kali lisi gia arxi...An pareis kai mia delta karta ixou me 90 euro ante 120 eisai ouaou....Ante spataloi oloi sas...
Exile - January 8, 2008 08:53 PM (GMT)
Kita na dis.
Lipame pou sas to leo alla ta m-audio einai ta xirotera monitors tis agoras.
C.h.a.os. ekanes ayto pou kanoun oli sinithos.Rixnoun tin timi kai tin piotita taftoxronos.
H krta ixou pou les distixos den exi isodous jack gia monitos epomenos akiro.
Kala ta monitors .......edaxi.....den einai monitors.
Kalitera na paris ta kenouria tis creative.
Ta studiopro nomizo exoun sixnotiki apokrisi 90hz-20khz ara tha perimenis na akousis bassa kai den tha xeris giati ta perimenis....
;)
Ayta pou protina einai mia apo tis kaliteres piotika kai oikonomika lisis.
Exile - January 8, 2008 09:06 PM (GMT)
Delerius mallon kai ta 2 enoouse giati ipe oti sinolo evgenan 700 euro....tespa.
Kalitera exoteriki.
1.Tin pernis opou goustaris.Akoma kai me laptop.
2.Exis tis isodous brpsta sou xoris na skivis gia na tis vris.
3.Exis ton elenxo sta xeria sou me knobs pano stin karta kai oxi apo software.
Ta studio monitors den exoun volume knob.To elenxis apo tin karta ixou.An h karta ixou einai mesa sto pc tote tha prepi na exis anixto to panel apo to pc kai na auxomionis kathe fora.
Na kai mia poli ftini kai arketa eos poli kali lisi sta 400 euro:
Karta ixou 75 euro:
http://www.thomann.de/gr/terratec_phase_22.htmMonitors 320 euros:
http://www.thomann.de/gr/yamaha_hs50m.htm
Delerius - January 8, 2008 10:30 PM (GMT)
υπάρχουν και κάρτες με εξωτερικό rack, που έχουν ό,τι έξοδο θες.
usb δεν θα την πρότεινα για ενα και μονο λόγο, το usb πρώτυπο ειναι ασταθές και αναξιόπιστο για τέτοιου είδους συσκέύες. δλδ, εκει που κανεις ενορχίστρωση να γίνει μια στραβή λόγω usb και να χάσεις τον ήχο, να χρειαστεί να κανεις επανεκίνηση, το project να μην σου ανοίγει και άλλα τρελά τέτοια..αυτά τραβάω με το midi που το έχω ακόμα με usb...σπάσιμο νεύρων είναι....
από την άλλη πάντα ότι διαλέξεις το διαλέγεις με γνώμονα το τί θες να κάνεις...αν ξεκινάς τώρα και δεν θα πολυασχολήσαι ε, δεν θα πας να δώσεις ένα κάρο λεφτά για το τπτ...!!!
οπότε οπως κατάλαβες αυτό που θέλω να πώ ειναι πως 1.000.000 διαφορετικές εξόδους να εχει μια κάρτα ήχου 999.999,1 θα σου ειναι παντελώς αχρηστες.
και δεν σε πολυ ενδιαφέρει αν έχεις δίπλα σου την έξοδο για τα ηχεία ή οχι..ή αν εχει in/out για οπτική...τώρα για τα knobs που λες..υποθέτω πως πάνε για κονσόλα μίξης...
για monitors κοιτάς για αυτοενισχυόμενα...οπότε δεν σε νιάζει τι volume έχεις από την κάρτα ήχου...
και συνήθως κοιτάς για monitors σε nearfield που εχουν αρκετά χαμηλές συχνότητες στο φάσμα τους...
Exile - January 8, 2008 10:46 PM (GMT)
Pos diavazode ayta ta kinezika ???? :o
Criminal - January 8, 2008 10:49 PM (GMT)
deksi klic k enconding meta
Aqua-Technology - January 8, 2008 11:49 PM (GMT)
Oxi guys,eixa parei ena periodiko pou eixe timokatalago...
Set monitors M-audio 260 e...
K karta ixou M-Audio (Delta nomizo) -> 450e...
Eimai poli sigouros,tha vro k to periodiko na sas po
tilefono k se pio magazi tha ta vreite k ton kodiko tous!
Exile - January 9, 2008 12:08 AM (GMT)
Kita sigoura usb bori mia sto toso na sou dimiourgisi kapio provlima.Oxi omos toso tragika pou ta anaferis.
Ola ta controllers pleon me usb doulevoun.Mallon esi kati den kanis sosta.H exi provlima h usb sou.
Ego exo karta me firewire pou einai poli kaliteri genika gia tetites efarmoges.Alla den vgenoun polles se firewire.Oles usb einai siga-siga.
Pistepse me einai mlkia na paris kati pou den tha sou kratisi?
Ego mexri na katalavo kapia pragmata eskaga adika lefta.Exo allaxi 2 kartes ixou.
Gaiti na min paris kati kalo exarxis afou pano-kato ta idia lefta tha dosis.
Episis to pio vasiko pou xexasa gia tis exoterikes kartes ixou.
Den xriazode konsola extra.Exoun mones tous isodous gia jack.Boris na sindesis kateythian mic,kithara,synth ka iexoun kai enisxisi.
Min to psaxnete oi exoterikes einai poli kaliteres apo polles plevres.
Diladi an thes na allaxis tin edasi sta autoenisxiomena pos tha tin xamilosis h tha tin ayxisis ???
Exile - January 9, 2008 12:10 AM (GMT)
Aqua den amfivalame oti les alithia. :D
chaostar_ - January 9, 2008 10:01 AM (GMT)
Lipon epidi to akouo sinexia tora teleutea oti ta M-Audio den ine monitor ine hi-fi k.t.l
Ta BX5a kai ta BX8a ine mia xara aksiprepestata monitors, tora ta pio mikra me 4'' woofer apo opia eteria kai na paris ine moufa den ine ''studio monitor''
As min ksexname oti otan ta evgale ta 2 auta modela i M-Audio prin 4 xronakia DEN ipirxe kati allo se autin tin timi pou na ekoves ton poutso sou.
Opos egine kai me tis kartes ixou kai tous controllers. pios arxise na vgazi protos "prosita epaggelmatika proioda" ?
Oloi trexan na paroun apla sou lei tora giati na exo midi M-Audio kai na min paro Novation pou ine pio gnosti eteria? Kai monitor Tascam pou ine xronia ston xoro..
Exei katadisi san tous P.A.tzides me tin Behringer... oloi tin krazoun alla oloi exoun mihanimata tis kai goustaroun kiolas :P
Exile - January 9, 2008 10:16 AM (GMT)
Nai sosta ta lei o Chaostar.
Os pros ayto simfono.
Odos h M-audio kai h Behringer itan oi protes eteries pou erixan tis times arketa kratodas mia axioprepestati piotita.
Emena prosopiki mou gnomi einai oti ta m-audio monitors den einai toso kala.Se adithesi p.x. me ta controllers ka itis kartes ixou pou ta vrisko exeretika.
Kaka ta psemata kapote elege na paris m-audio exoplismo logo iokonomikon timon.
Pleon kalitera na kanis mia erevna agoras prota efososn iparxoun polles enalaktikes lisis.
Kai sto thema me ta monitor einai kai thema aytiou.Kapios bori na doulevi me m-audio h tascam h genelec h kai ego den xero ti.....
vagelisda - January 9, 2008 09:29 PM (GMT)
malista malista,polles epiloges,ksexasa na pw pws exw laptop sto kainourgio mou spiti,pc exw sto patriko mou,opote i ekswteriki karta ixou einai monodromos,to laptop mou,einai ena turbo x,dual core sta 1600 me 1 gb mnimi,pws to vlepete?
psychz - January 9, 2008 09:34 PM (GMT)
kalo einai, vevaia to an tha se volepsei eksartatai apo to posa (kai poia) vst tha theleis na exeis fortwmena sto host sou se kathe project
Aqua-Technology - January 10, 2008 05:28 AM (GMT)
Emena einai sta 3,2 me 1GB mnimi..kai sta 10 fortomena vst to CPU
ftanei sto apeiro...
Se auto exei sxesi i mnimi i tpt allo?
Exile - January 10, 2008 11:58 AM (GMT)
Mnimi tha se simvouleva na xosis allo 1G.
To cpu kai pali tha piani 100% allatha adapokrinete kalitera to prog kai ta vst.
myStiq^ - January 12, 2008 12:10 AM (GMT)
episis eksoteriki karta me 200 e tin exw egw poly kali.
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