I love running Kharasi. It allows me to mold the world and create fun and adventures for everyone yet let a certain part of my creativity flow that I wouldn't have on a site which I did not have any power in... but sometimes a person just wants to play the game. Don't jump to conclusions though! I still want to run Kharasi and still want to be the Weyrwoman... but I'm considering also playing in another Weyr.

Nothing too deep, just a character or two so I can just be able to play in a world and earn a reputation from the ground up and make a fun character that is bent to the whim of a will not my own. Kharasi will always be my first passion, and I would not do anything that would actually take time away from running this site, but I'd like a little of the fun that you guys experience.

So.. basically, I'm wondering if it is okay. I want your honest opinions, and I decided I would bring this up to you all before I made a decision. Thanks in advance for your input, because what you all have to say is very important to me =)

Aww, there's nothing wrong with rp'ing in another Weyr, Nako! Do whatever you'd like! :) Just promise you won't leave us ;) <3

Of course I wouldn't leave you guys!!! *squishes!!!*

I think you shouldn't feel like you have to ask us, because you're allowed to do whatever the hell you want, and *nobody* should be allowed to tell you that you can and can't play at certain weyrs, etcetera. But I do understand your desire to hear from us.

I think that you should be allowed to, since you feel like you're able to balance the load, and usually one is the best jusge of one's own abilities.

*shakes head* I am against it. I dont think you should be allowed. I mean, its not fair! If you get to play in another Weyr, I get to have a black dragon with scales that breathes napalm and can telepathically control the minds of other dragons to do his evil bidding...

*Kicks Nako* Why are you asking?!!! GO!!! LOL, we love you, and we know you aren't going to ditch us!!!

Crazy Weyrwoman... :D

There's nothing wrong rp'ing somewhere else... -has eighteen Weyrs- We know you won't ditch us, so.. Yeah. I'm just going to end up repeating what the others have said... =D <3

Napalm dragons! Woo!


Alannalioness has officially made me not worry. Eighteen Weyrs?? You have a lot of time on your hands LOL

I remember when I used to be in over 10 weyrs. That was before high school =) If you're managing to stay active in em all, dear, you deserve a gold star!

Well, I joined a Weyr, and whenever I have that Weyr open, I have this one open as well. lol!

On recount, 21. Not all of them are extremely active, and no, not really, I just know where I have to be. See, here, I know you guys are patient while I work out how to play my gorgeous draggies that Nako gave me, where as other places i get prodded, I get annoyed. And my posts get bad, so I go there, then here, and like a tennis ball. So no time, just... Boredom, I'm a okay student so I don't get homework... Yet xD

I think its personally fine, and this from a person who barely bounces in and hardly ever roleplays. Just keep things rolling here and you'll keep everyone happy. I'll be happy, whenever I find the time to come back. Which might be next semester....

We'll be ready for you when you're ready, stephen =D It's a cute place I'm rping at, a fun chance to play a new character, but Kharasi will always be my first love. I certainly agree with how I have things running here than they do there, but oh well, we all make sacrifices =P

I think you playing in another Weyr will be healthy for your RP life, Stormy. You'll get to use a different creative side, and you'll be able to do it without the stress of being in charge. Also, with different minds writing different ideas, imagine all the juicy dramatic plotty goodness you'll be able to twist around and bring back!

Play on!

Thanks =) I'm enjoying myself to an extent at the new Weyr, but between you guys and me.... I like Kharasi much better. We have a truly EPIC group of rpers no matter how small. There are a lot of people at the other Weyr (Crescent Weyr, and it's non-canon) but... they don't have the same life in them that you guys have.

Psssssssshaw, non-canon. :P

Enjoy yourself, Nako! 'S long as you don't abandon us, I'm happy.

I should probably make my old non-canon site again.. but then again I have that whole issue of I'm running it again.. but oh well XD. Basically there was a lesser and royal color for almost every color.

There was like.. queen greens and king blues and they were larger than their lesser lookalikes with a metallic sheen to their hides, then there was copper, which was a hermaphrodite dragon... Then there was albino then black dragons... black dragons basically being like a leopard or other species that sometimes turns all black. A twist is that they grow slightly bigger than their predesigned color. Albinos are the opposite, and would be nearly a full color size below their expected size. Both blacks and whites had hints of color in their sheen that told of their base color, so a black with bronzy sheen would be a bronze. Honestly, it just made for more things to Impress, and that in itself was quite fun. =D

Oh, and the aevies... from another Weyr but I helped develop them.. basically imagine a pretty version of a cockatrice, a scaled bird thing with protofeathers, faceted eyes, a crest of proto feathers and the ability to manipulate telekenisis expertly, but can't go between. Fun stuff =D

Oh man, when I was an immature fifth-grader with little true understanding of Anne's world, I created the ultimate non-canon weyr... it was like Pern rape. I shudder to think back on it. Yours does sound fun, though.

AEVIES! *pounce* I LUFF aevies! And my precioussssss, my Faith, my Diamond, =D *luffs to death*

XD Indeed! If all you Canon freaks ever want to step into the dark side, let me know =D I'll make it again. It'll be tons of fun.

*shudders at thoughts of non-canon-ness* gah. Oh, I'd be terrible in such a place. Unless we didn't call it Pern, and there was different traditions, and naming conventions, and no thread, and ... and... (trails off)

*some time later*

In random things, I hate to think on how bad my writing usually is and then compare it to how bad writing is on Neopets. I bounced on their rp boards about a week ago, tossing up a general sci-fi plot, and got two responses. One was from somebody six HOURS later who was wondering where I was, and the other was from someone envious of my writing skill and told me I should write books. That scares me.

Well, think of the typical age groups on neopets =P

Well hey, if anyone is ever up for a storyline I came up with, I could follow through with it. There's a race of people who enslaved/indentured/something gryphons that were becoming extinct from hunting, granting them intelligence and magic which they would in turn live to protect their people. The gryphons bond to the people but no two bonds are alike. Some people really dislike their partner, others are all lovey dovey, some don't speak or see each other for days while others have to always be in sight of one another. Also, they are not gryphon riders, but gryphon handlers, as some gryphons are too small to be ridden.

The people have different 'types' and have different strengths. Some are physically strong while others are magically strong, and some have A mix of the two and some have no power at all. Gryphons have only one naming rule, that their name is reflective of either their personality, their handler's personality, or their handler's name.

Gryphons range from the size of a donkey to nearly 16 feet in height, with different strengths and weaknesses, and some are even elemental.. Fun stuff, very heavy fantasy =D

Ah, there's actually a few good RPs on Neopets. Rare, but they're there.

I like non-canon, but... not too heavily...

As for other fantasy, I'm a little bit slow to accept it...

I like fantasy, but I typically like well thought out fantasy without too much magical fru fru.

My opinion is that the best in-progress fantasy series I have ever read is George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire." I have never, ever read anything like it. It is superbly told, and the man is brutal. He forces you to agree with the opinions of characters that are absolutely despicable, and he coldly offs wonderful, complex heroes that you love. I never know what's going to happen next, and I can't stop reading.

Here we go, with work by Nako:

Diamond: Light silver in coloration with darker silver diamonds down its back. Mostly female. Generally keeps to themselves, not necessarily shy, yet reserved.

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AND MY FAVORITE:



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*glares at non-canon* I shall never succumb to the darkside!!!

LOL, I'm with Stephen on this one. I can deal if its not called Pern, and there are basically no associations with Ann McCaffery's world. So basically, a universe where there are telepathic dragons who show favor to a particular person.

I'm to a point where I don't mind non-canon at all, but if I'm in a canon Weyr I want it to stay canon. Other colors and new creatures generally don't bother me at all because it's at least moderately feasible... but I can't follow with things like.. WHERS EATING THREAD. Dear God, what's wrong with Todd McCaffrey? Also, things like feathered wings, multiple Impressions.. yadda yadda. Psh. I think we stay more true to McCaffrey's idea of Pern than her son does.

Teehee, Aevies! Ugh, those artly things are so old, especially the 'baby' sketch XD the 2nd one is most certainly the better one I've done of them.

Y'know, much as I love Anne's writing, there really is something seriously wrong with that family. Todd is militant in his writing style, which I don't like, and I also don't like the liberties he's taken with her ideas.

Anne's a bit twisted, too. Browsing the Web a couple weeks ago, I ran into an old interview she gave to explain why the homosexual population of a Weyr was so unbalanced compared to average demographics. This was back when all green riders in her books were males, which meant that all green and most blue and brown riders were partaking in same-sex intercourse on a regular basis. This infamous interview has apparently become dubbed the "Tent-Peg Theory" on some of the older boards like PernMUSH. Have you guys ever heard of this? It's really disturbing and I think very insulting to homosexuals, so I won't go into details here. But a Google search on Anne McCaffrey and Tent-Peg Theory should bring up any results.

Warning: she gets pretty explicit, so if you don't want to know, don't go looking.

That was interesting. I didn't know something like that actually existed. Is Anne a conservative Christian?

Oh, I do love the Aevies.

I actually didn thave that much of a problem with watch whers eating thread. I mean, Ann herself had firelizards eating thread. And really, I liked Todd's militaristic style too... I thought it added a new voice to the world. However, I still think he is a jerk and a half for not being able to play in her world (like we do) without changing its essential nature.

I found a really interesting website...
http://www.dragonchoice.com/

That's so odd. I stumbled upon it myself, last weekend, and now it's coming up again. I haven't gotten around to actually reading it, though.

Actually, the firelizards flamed thread. o_O


McCaffrey has offended me on so many levels, I hardly even want to consider her 'canon' view on sexuality, which is why I do not like to apply it to even bronze and goldriders... but then again I don't want to throw such a change on you all.

There was one book where the lizards ate thread. Kylara was bragging about it.

I really like the world she's created, but I haven't actually looked at her stuff personally. The tent-peg theory is really offensive. Actually, I wanted a gay bronzerider, but it's not really canon, so I make do =)

You know, after reading that stuff, I'm suddenly not as big of a fan of McCaffery as I was. It would be much simpler, if you wanted to say the majority of the Weyr was heterosexual, to say that greens predominantly chose girls, no matter what, and that the homosexuals or bisexuals were a very small minority.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what percentage of the male population is bisexual/gay? I mean, it is anywhere near reasonable to assume the Weyrs could even find that many? Really, I rather like the idea that what happens in a mating flight has little to no effect on a rider's sexuality, unless it makes them more open. I know some people who tried sex with gay guys and still found women far more attractive.

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Bisexuals are actually quite prevalent. In nature many species of animals have bisexual individuals in the group and it's suspected that bisexuality is just a quirk that has evolved since if you're intimate with something, you're most likely not its enemy.

I'd imagine a HUGE majority of Weyrfolk would be bisexual since there is no stigma on it and no one screaming at the lads to throw a football, so that might be where they get so many "gay" men.

The actual gay percentile is usually like.. 10 percent or something like that.. and that's just men. This is mostly my personal belief that most people at least have the capacity to be bisexual if years of teaching them what is right and what is wrong had not fixed their mind one way. I mean, it's shame and embarrassment and fear that can even make people sexually dysfunctional and unable to perform.

So yes, it would be -easier- to assume, but it would be almost offensively incorrect since Weyrbred people would almost be -taught- it was okay to be bisexual and would be open to the idea.

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I feel for you Contrition. Alesia always struck me as a lesbian. o_O SHE'S LIVING A LIE! I too know many men who -tried- gay sex, anal sex, I know men who actively engage sexual intercourse that involves the penetration of their anus.. but it's with their women, and these are MANLY MEN. So... There you go. Tent-Peg theory is a load of tripe, and so what if a guy likes it and keeps doing it? Ugh. People view sexuality as such a black and white thing... it just seems so unnatural o_o at least to me.. No offense to anyone who goes the straight an narrow or takes a sharp left turn.

Stephen, I think you're bang on. The mating flight experience is inherently about the dragons overpowering their riders' emotions anyway, so it seems natural that the riders' sexual tendencies might be similarly overpowered. Perhaps not in the gross numbers McCaffrey suggests by allowing (in the first three books written) only one or two female dragonriders to an entire Weyr, but the sentiment is reasonable. Hmm, Stormy, did you finagle the Impression of so many blues to girls in order to set up some same-sex relations in mating flights later on? Heehee.

I've not seen a study done on the demographics of gay vs. straight, but Stormy's probably got it right. Ten percent of a given population that tends naturally toward homosexuality seems accurate. After all, too much more than that and you'd pretty much have proven that the biological drive to procreate has been largely wiped out of humans, no? Because of the stigma that's still attached to homosexuality, though, a census study might have a skewed result, and report (at least in some areas of the United States) a lower percent homosexual population than what might factually exist.

Either way, given the predominance of green dragons in an average clutch, that would have to make a Weyr comprised of, what, 65% gay men? And if most of those riders are pulled from Search ... well, the woman is raving. Stark, and raving. That's not a normal population demographic at all, especially not if Pern is striving to reproduce. I have to wonder if she didn't use the tent-peg theory to justify what she came to realize was a large-scale mistake. She did much better to allow female green riders, for sure.

My goodness, this topic has certainly taken a sweeping tangent. :blink:

I think her demographics can't be prepared to ours... because if, say the brown+bronze+gold-riders are... maybe 30% of the population in a sparse time, that'd mean the remaining 70% of the riders are gay or bi, and that's definitely how she's proportioned it.

I think L'vair's about to go that way, too. *g*

Kekeke, I'm not guilty!


Actually honest to goodness I just went a little blue crazy this time around. There were a lot of girls very suitable for blues and I had more blues than greens before I could realize it! There would have been more men on blues if we actually -had- more men this time around.. lol

Shoot, there were times where Weyrs did not Search, or mostly searched only for women for gold dragons since Weyrbrats always have the right to Stand.

That's something I feel the PBeMs or forums (I haven't been in a MOO or MUSH, so I can't tell) don't really emphasize enough; there's a bajillion greenriders running around, and greens go proddy like /so/ easily. And that means lots of flights, which lead to weyrbrats. Fandom sort of neglects the greenflights, brats, and flightmoth-produced brats.

*I'm* not complaining. I LOVEEE blues like no other-- my favorite dragon color, period. My 3 favorite this clutch (and have become my Blue Legion): Eagrith, Chiarth, and Enorath. They're just soooo pwetty =3 I mean, look:



They're just so pwetty!!!


Speaking of pictures, Nako, I scanned up the sketch but that's really all it is, a sketch, because my lack of both a tablet and the GIMP (because my mac has problems with it, and because I haven't gotten around to *getting* a tablet yet), it's not that good, but I can give you the image or wait until christmas when I might be getting a tablet. It's not even colored, and there's not much detail, but I think it's alright... for a sketch. It's sort of unattractive.

To begin, I actully agree with a lot of what is being said here about homosexual demographics. I am not trying to disagree at all, but a thought did occur to me:

What if it ISNT a typical demographic dispertion? What if dragons are just more inclines to homosexual individuals? It would be different if we were taking the population stats of some of the holds (and some of the books hint that homosexuality was a big no-no in the holds) it might yeild more typical results. But within the Weyrs you have a population of people specifically chosen for their attractiveness to dragons. Also, so far the Weyr stats we have cited are all dragon riders. When you take into account drudges, weyrborn, healers, and anyone else living in the weyr the stats change markedly. They are still nowhere near normal, but it does bear some scrutiny. If homosexual/bisexual men and women were gathered from all over Pern and redistributed into the Weyrs... Meh, give me feedback...